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15th October 2019, 18:32 #301
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15th October 2019, 18:38 #302
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It’s pretty clear: TMR sells goods (prepared rally cars and parts) and services (developing, testing and running the cars) to his client, Toyota; besides no matter how big Toyota is, for sure their WRC budget isn’t randomly planned.
Btw, TMR troubles in 2010 can be explained by a slowing demand for N4 cars and a huge investement on new facilities, during a global finantial crisis; besides he was working for private costumeurs, not to a big corp like Toyota.
How stupid could someone be to risk loosing a multimillion WRC client for cheating him on a secondary program? That alleged ‘under the table’ deal simply doesn’t make sense.Rally addict since 1982
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15th October 2019, 18:45 #303
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People keep complaining, especially in Estonia, how Meeke and Latavala keep stealing PS points from Tänak. It did not sound quite right to me so I took a look at the results this year. Both of them have overall "stolen" exactly 0 points from Tänak in PS. Both "stole" 1 point (Argentina and Mexico) and also "gave" him one point in Germany. Btw, both Latvala in Argentina and Meeke in Mexico lost to Ogier only by 0,1 seconds so they were both very close to actually giving Tänak a point overall.
Here is the overall rankings of "Best powerstage supporting teammate so far" I put together:
1. Sordo - Helped Neuville increase gap to Tänak by 2 points.
2. Lappi - Helped Ogier increase gap to Tänak and Neuville by 1 point.
3. Mikkelsen- Helped Neuville increase gap to Ogier by 1 points.
4. Latvala - Did not increase nor decrease gap between Tänak and rivals
4. Meeke - Did not increase nor decrease gap between Tänak and rivals
From here you could argue that Latvala and Meeke are the worst PS teammates. Maybe so, but by a small margin. Overall they have not stolen points from Tänak and you cannot say others are significantly better than them. The gaps are too small to claim who would be the best choice for the future. The bosses will have to use other figures
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15th October 2019, 18:54 #304
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that couldnt happened without toyota money.
Anyway probbly you didnt understand my post.
What i was trying to say is that,of course you will have a big profit running a very healthy budget.
Its impossible to run this business ,with financial losses.
So that he makes these profits isnt a surprise.
at these days were plenty of other teams worldwide that were running N4 cars and they were profitable.
So the problem wasnt the global financial crisis,but something else.
Greediness.
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15th October 2019, 19:13 #305
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Oh yes it is, very possible. Making a profit and having a healthy budget are two totally different things.
And who cares if some previous business of Mäkinen's hasn't been that successful? That just makes the story even more magnificent. Success after failure, what could be better?
It's not where you're from, it's where you're at.ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan
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15th October 2019, 19:29 #306
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yes they are different,but Tommi wouldnt put his money to run Toyota programm if it wasnt profitable,nor he would be satisfied to run a multiyear wrc programm for 200.000 euros.
So these profits are logic,and couldnt be different in ANY way.
were you are here,would be almost everybody who run this programm with this budget.
We have to give credits to Tommi for other things,not for his financial capabilities.
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15th October 2019, 19:41 #307
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Sorry but no, I don't buy it. Not claiming Tommi would be the second coming of Warren Buffett but it's complete nonsense that "everybody could run it" with the budget Toyota has given him and his company. How much of it is because of Tommi himself? Hard to say, but at the end of the day that's quite irrelevant. It's Tommi who has built the team and hired the people around himself making all this possible, no-one else.
ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan
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15th October 2019, 19:52 #308
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15th October 2019, 20:20 #309
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Sorry but this is not correct, they have each stolen 1 point off Tanak when they didn't need to.
In Germany they took 2 points off Ogier, but not Neuville. That didn't "give" Tanak anything. Even if they drove at snail pace it wouldn't give him anything cause he had only 3 brakes from the stage before. Which the team knew before PS started, so there was no choice there.
When you "steal" 2 points and then if you "give" 2 back (which is not correct as just explained), you still stole two. This way result is 0, while it could have been +2 for Tanak.
Sure it's not a massive difference. But it's completely unnecessary when the team's goal should be to have one driver to win the WDC and by Mexico it imo was quite clear it will be Tanak. Surely by Argentina.
If you would be really hardcore for manu title push you'd actually forbid your drivers to push at all on PS. Cause any extra points move drivers up in drivers standings which results in worse starting position on gravel, but nobody has taken it so far yet.
Imo for bosses (and for Tanak) it's not so much about the 1-2 points, but about knowing what your job is. This was great with Meeke in GB on Saturday, when he couldn't keep up with the top3 he didn't try harder and crash but kept 4 place for very important points. But this kind approach should have started 5-6 rallies earlier. I'd guess Tanak would certainly want it from the start of the season. Cause with 2 other cars on decent points he could afford to push a bit harder with some risk of crashing when needed.Last edited by mknight; 15th October 2019 at 20:22.
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15th October 2019, 20:31 #310
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what do you mean,that Malcolm or Richards would have failed financialy with this budget?
Probably you dont read properly my posts.
So i will write it again.
we have to give credits to Tommi for other things(his choices at every level generally) but NOT for his financial results.
Hope that now is clear that i write about the FINANCIAL RESULTS.
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Not sure if posted here before, Evan's test prior to Croatia with footage of the Rally1 Yaris in 2025-spec... https://youtu.be/ALLO7rds-yI?si=FRdZ5LDkRZcxMPOV
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