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1st August 2019, 05:59 #11
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This statement is utter BS in that the Hungarians were being taken into forced laborallegedly for _over 45 years_. The ones who were taken into forced labor were certainly prisoners of world war II, so taken during or immediately after WWII. Those who don't recall it any more, Hungarians, Romanians, Italians, and other Axis allies assisted Nazi Germany in the siege of Stalingrad, got surrounded, and many were taken prisoner in 1943. Yes, it probably was not a field trip.
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1st August 2019, 06:03 #12
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Well that is not how the Hungarians see it. I wonder if you were there to see what happened to be confident to state that it is BS. Besides, there was and is an international convention for the treatment of war prisoners. And that did not include forced labour of non-combatant persons. Also, you cannot be certain that all of those 600, 000 people were Nazi sympathizers. What about those Hungarians that resisted the occupation of their country. This is like saying all muslims are terrorists.
In war, different measures would apply for persons that is believed to have assisted the enemy. Extracting these persons into labour camps may be one of those measures. We cannot ignore the fact that it happened. Because there is no evidence that these persons were tried in a court of law and were formally sentenced to the labour camps. If you can provide such an evidence then l shall duly apologize and remove my comments.
And there was the issue of forced occupation of these sovereign states amongst many other things we can talk about if we were to go into the details of the whole affair. I would not dismiss the history of a country as BS.
This is the unfortunate history of our world. It is ugly to reiterate, but it was what it was. Times have moved on and we must learn from it which is why we talk about these things. The worst thing we can do is to bury it into the past because it is too awkward to consider that men did these things to other men.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 1st August 2019 at 06:43.
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1st August 2019, 07:53 #13
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The Soviet troops left Romania in 1958 so we were for the most part of out communist period "unoccupied". The Romanian communist government was bad enough on its own and didn't need Soviet assistance to keep the population under its boots. We were at odds with the Soviets quite often. We didn't take part in the invasion of Czechoslovakia and we got along (officially) quite well with the West for a decade or so. Then our beloved leader got in love with North Korea (another color in the rainbow of communist madness) and we went that way. For the last part I think we could have taught the soviets how the madness of Communism is being done. On the other hand, on the other side of the border, in Hungary, with all the soviet troops, things were somewhat lighter. They still had a little economic freedom, like little private shops. It doesn't sound like much but on this side of the border that was seen as quite exotic. And then you have Yugoslavia that just told the Soviet Union to **** off. There was some variety in the non-soviet communist states. I think you were allowed to do your own thing as long you stayed undemocratic and oppressive enough. The Soviet states had to do it the soviet way. They had to participate in the invasion of Czechoslovakia or Afghanistan. They had to participate in the clean-up of Chernobyl. And they probably didn't have the freedom to host an F1 Grand Prix. Anyway... sorry for the off topic.
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1st August 2019, 08:44 #14
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2nd August 2019, 11:01 #15
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It is looking like it would be closer than usual between the top three teams. I fancy Redbull to be the ones to watch in the race.
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2nd August 2019, 14:47 #16
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Did it rain at all during FP2? I am unable to watch it at work (the haterz!).
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2nd August 2019, 16:09 #17
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3rd August 2019, 12:40 #18
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Let the show begin :-)
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3rd August 2019, 14:28 #19
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3rd August 2019, 14:34 #20
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Well deserved first pole for Max. That Q3 shootout was so tight between the top 3 that it could have belonged to any of them.
Ferrari seem to be lacking, but track temps and race pace for tomorrow might show a different game.
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