2019 German GP - Hockenhiem

**Nitrodaze** · 31st July 2019, 16:32

Originally Posted by N. Jones

No, I think it was the other way around. The chassis was good as it had grip and stability it was the Honda engine that just wasn't powerful enough.

It was the same generation of Honda engine in the 2017 Mclaren that propelled Gasly in the Torro Rosso to 6th place at the Baku race in 2018. With the flexibility offered by the Redbull chassis, a Redbull-Honda was able to win two races. What does that tell you?

**aykutbilir** · 31st July 2019, 18:15

McLaren and Honda issue is a freaking mad home.
Mclaren insist they have the best chassis but they have the worst and they overlooked Honda.

What Redbull and Toro Rosso did is working with them under confidence.
Honda very much improved from the days of Mclaren for sure.

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**Firstgear** · 31st July 2019, 18:55

Honda is doing better without McLaren.
McLaren is doing better without Honda.
So who was holding back whom?

**Nitrodaze** · 31st July 2019, 19:39

Originally Posted by Firstgear

Honda is doing better without McLaren.
McLaren is doing better without Honda.
So who was holding back whom?

2018 revealed their chassis was not as good as they lead everyone to believe. They have started to understand and improve their chassis in 2019. The 2017 chassis that Honda had to work with was definitely not as good as their 2019 chassis. The problem was, instead of taking a thorough objective analysis of what was the problem, they blamed Honda for all of their shortcomings. Yes the Honda engine of the period we are talking about was very unreliable but that was half the reason of why they were not performing better than they managed in 2017.

I would not read too much into the 2019 performance of the Mclaren chassis. They are fourth because Haas is unable to harness the speed of their chassis due to tyre issues. Renault has drifted backwards. And Racing Point has drifted backwards. But Mclaren has done a better job on the chassis front than Renault for sure. But l don't think the Mclaren chassis is as good as the Haas chassis when it is in its sweet spot, which happens only during qualifying incidentally. That said, the Mclaren in race trim is the best in the midfield after Redbull at the moment.