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    As far as I understood from Franceschis comment his time was changed based on a protest from certain competitor (Peugeot, Llarena?) - that's answer to your first question why only one time was changed.

    Franceschi clearly said they were stopped three times for an overall time roughly equal to one minute. This is answer to your question number 2.

    Hard to answer the third question without knowing more. Either nobody protested against Llarena's time (hard to believe) or the GSP data didn't show anything so exceptional to change his time by some small margin and to move Cais to the first place. Take into account that if Llarena was 12 seconds slower than Cais on let's say 15 km it's less than 0,5 s/km which means he was still faster than majority of R2 drivers hence there is hardly any reason to make an exceptional change of his time compared to the others. That is something completely different than a competitor standing for one minute here and there and obviously having big problems to even move.

    If the car is stopped it's very clear from the GPS. Similar thing happened with Kostka and Mareš after Gryazin's crash. Mareš slowed down but probably didn't stop completely - he got no time back. Kostka clearly stopped at Gryazin (as shown on the onboard in one of the Mediasport videos) and his time was later adjusted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    this event must be a WRC round!
    If you want a great new tarmac rally in WRC, the nearest thing could be if Rally GB moves to Northern Ireland.

    Barum is too small as stated and exciting enough with just R5 cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira View Post
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    FIA ERC should be equal to all competitors what means that or they are giving the same time to everybody or panalized each single driver if had a problem on canceled stage.
    This is how Champion title is stolen due to not fair play game.”
    Without the confirmation that Llarena got his puncture before the red flag it seems hard to say Torn was robbed; still, it’s quite a shame to see an exciting ERC3 Junior championship being decided behind the curtain.

    To add more confusion to this matter, Llarena said to AS that Franceschi was stoping to let Torn pass him on the stage but the red flag changed their tactic (which seems a bit strange as it’d be easier to halt just once, rather than several times…). https://as.com/motor/2019/08/19/mas_...93_869093.html

    Btw, Llarena is entered by the spanish ASN (RFEA) under the Rally Team Spain badge; having the RFEA pressuring the organizers to change a direct (privately entered) competitor notional time, while avoiding his own time to be changed due to the flat tyre issue, was probably vital for Llarena’s late success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Btw, Llarena is entered by the spanish ASN (RFEA) under the Rally Team Spain badge; having the RFEA pressuring the organizers to change a direct (privately entered) competitor notional time, while avoiding his own time to be changed due to the flat tyre issue, was probably vital for Llarena’s late success.
    Torn is also entered by the Estonian ASN, so I not see any point on this comment of an ASN pressuring the organizers

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    Quote Originally Posted by m-ast View Post
    Torn is also entered by the Estonian ASN, so I not see any point on this comment of an ASN pressuring the organizers
    Was Estonian ASN president there? Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the guy in the middle the RFEA president?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Was Estonian ASN president there? Maybe I'm wrong, but isn't the guy in the middle the RFEA president?
    You are correct in the second question and I don't know the first one, but obviously I don't think the Spanish president has the power to pressure a foreign organiser with he has no relation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Loubet in Finland was much much deeper and there where three stumps...

    Those Arai pictures show that audience didn´t even try...

    and yes, it´s very to shoud from sofa
    Just catching up with this thread. Loubet - well, about the same distance off road, but Arai's car was in a much steeper angle. If you look at the Loubet rescue video, he drives back up mostly. Arai on the other hand, about 45 degree angle, that's very hard to pull a car back up. And what Mirek says, this is a high speed place with most of the crews just coming. Loubet's place with a warning was relatively safe to rescue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    pitty,it would be a dream to watch Ogier/Tanak/Neuville etc at these amazing roads.
    Tänak and Neuville have been already there in IRC era. However didn't drive WRC but S2000, which is a big difference. As far as I remember organizers were trying to candidate this rally to be WRC event but they left it later. Maybe Czech guys can confirm my memo.

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    On that place Ilka Minor already said they wouldn't even restart on sunday. Hiroki was blaming the tyres for the crash... It's not like they were asking someone to push them back on the road. Also with that angle the car was in, and all the bushes around it, you would need a rope to pull the car out of the deep ditch.

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