Page 3 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 38
  1. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Greenwich, London UK
    Posts
    1,643
    Like
    0
    Liked 390 Times in 316 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior View Post
    I'm one who believes that you tend to make your own luck. Apart from PU failures (which could come from having to dog the engine in races because you didn't qualify ahead of the competition), Hamilton has made fewer mistakes the past few years than most of his competitors. Poor old Vettel has hit everything but the safety car and made more unforced errors than Pastor Maldonado used to. And though Bottas has greatly improved since last season, I just don't think that he can sustain an attack against Hamilton over the course of a season. As was shown by Rosberg, that sort of effort is draining on the mind and body. Once Verstappen and Leclerc have more competitive equipment (or Mercedes loses a step), then there will be some real competition for Hamilton.
    Yea, the F1 generation game shall commence in earnest when Honda catch up to Ferrari and Ferrari sort out their aero issues. As we are seeing in Ladies tennis at the moment, F1 is set for a showdown of its own. It is happening now to Vettel to some extent, but an Alonso type fight with Schumacher for supremacy of the formula is yet to happen.
    Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
    William Shakespeare

  2. #22
    Senior Member journeyman racer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,044
    Like
    242
    Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Jag_Warrior View Post
    I'm one who believes that you tend to make your own luck.
    It'd be interesting to ever find out what this is regarding Hamilton's results? Between Bahrain, Monaco, Canada and Britain, I've worked out he's picked up 28pts on Bottas through random moments that have affected results in his favour.

    Think about this. Leading in Monaco prior to the safety car being released was an advantage as Bottas was compromised during that sequence.

    But in Silverstone trailing happened to be advantageous for a random moment the safety car came out.
    Last edited by journeyman racer; 15th July 2019 at 11:11.

  3. #23
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Greenwich, London UK
    Posts
    1,643
    Like
    0
    Liked 390 Times in 316 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    It'd be interesting to ever find out what this is regarding Hamilton's results? Between Bahrain, Monaco, Canada and Britain, I've worked out he's picked up 28pts on Bottas through random moments that have affected results in his favour.

    Think about this. Leading in Monaco prior to the safety car being released was an advantage as Bottas was compromised during that sequence.

    But in Silverstone trailing happened to be advantageous for a random moment the safety car came out.
    Pick any world champion at random and have a look at how many lucky moments contributed to their winning their title, you would find that being at the right place at the right time to benefit from low hanging fruit such as safety cars and opponents accidents or penalties is a common part of winning championships. Ask Rosberg, he would tell you a thing or two about it.

    Hence, l think you make a very pointless statement. Luck is part of winning.
    Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
    William Shakespeare

  4. #24
    Senior Member journeyman racer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,044
    Like
    242
    Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Pick any world champion at random and have a look at how many lucky moments contributed to their winning their title, you would find that being at the right place at the right time to benefit from low hanging fruit such as safety cars and opponents accidents or penalties is a common part of winning championships. Ask Rosberg, he would tell you a thing or two about it.

    Hence, l think you make a very pointless statement. Luck is part of winning.
    You're the one saying it. You're going to have to come up with some examples?

  5. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    2,473
    Like
    53
    Liked 360 Times in 276 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Pick any world champion at random and have a look at how many lucky moments contributed to their winning their title, you would find that being at the right place at the right time to benefit from low hanging fruit such as safety cars and opponents accidents or penalties is a common part of winning championships. Ask Rosberg, he would tell you a thing or two about it.

    Hence, l think you make a very pointless statement. Luck is part of winning.
    The safety car yesterday made no difference as Bottas was always going to two stop in the race. Hamiltonís simply much better at saving his tires than Bottas, itís an area Bottas openly admitted a couple of days ago that Hamilton was better at and that he was learning from Lewisís data on it. Again, this is something Rosberg did a lot as well to try keep pace with Hamilton and beat him. I think Lewis has learned to mask his pace more over the years though which is now why he suddenly jumps ahead of Bottas a lot in Q3. Thatís the difference between 7 wins at this stage of a season and two. Bottas had improved lot this year, I just cannot see him beating Hamilton over the course of a season unless he has the luck of Rosberg in 2016.

    There has been once or twice you might say luck was on Hamiltonís side, this year however, but yesterday was not one of them as Bottas was always two stopping and Hamilton was always on a one stop.
    Last edited by The Black Knight; 15th July 2019 at 14:43.

  6. #26
    Senior Member journeyman racer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,044
    Like
    242
    Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
    Relative strengths and weakness can be acknowledged. That definitely was fortunate yesterday. It prevented forcing Hamilton to pass on the track (Something he hasn't done off his own accord to Bottas this year), which is a significantly different situation than just a freebie pit and an easy run front.

  7. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Greenwich, London UK
    Posts
    1,643
    Like
    0
    Liked 390 Times in 316 Posts
    Blog Entries
    2
    Quote Originally Posted by journeyman racer View Post
    You're the one saying it. You're going to have to come up with some examples?
    To make it easy for you, l gave you Rosberg as an example. Now go do your research before you write your comments.
    Better a witty fool than a foolish wit.
    William Shakespeare

  8. #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    2,473
    Like
    53
    Liked 360 Times in 276 Posts
    Mercedes decided on Sunday morning Bottas would be doing medium, medium and hard tire and that Lewis would go medium, hard. This was based on data from Fridayís run which suggested that Bottasís strategy was optimal race strategy. So regardless Bottas had to pit twice, Hamilton didnít. However even on hard tire and with Bottas on medium, Bottas could not keep up with him after the pitstop. This is why the safety car made no difference. He wouldnít have managed to make up 17.5 seconds in that extra pitstop. No chance.

    What Lewis did on the last lap of the race was quite astonishing on 30 lap old tires. Bottas fastest lap should have been completely out of reach.
    Last edited by The Black Knight; 16th July 2019 at 09:03.

  9. Likes: truefan72 (19th July 2019)
  10. #29
    Senior Member journeyman racer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2013
    Location
    Melbourne, Australia
    Posts
    1,044
    Like
    242
    Liked 122 Times in 93 Posts
    Yeah I know. Bottas has to win the title with a relative weakness to Hamilton. But when they hadn't split their strategies all season, MB now do and it favours Hamilton.

    https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/07/16...stop-strategy/

    Wolff confirmed that the plan was to split the strategies of the two Mercedes, although the team had expected to also bring Hamilton back into the pits at some stage.

    “In our strategy meeting in the morning, actually the drivers brought up whether there was an offset strategy possible for the guy running second, because if you put them on the same tyre, this is probably how the race is going to end,” he explained.

    “So picking up on the suggestion, we decided that the second-placed driver would run an offset strategy with the hard tyre in the middle.

    “We weren’t quite sure whether one stop would make it, probably rather thinking it would be a two, also because of a lack of data on the hard, and this is exactly how it panned out.

    “Obviously both of them drove a brilliant race, both of them would have deserved to win the race, and in that instance, the Safety Car swung in the favour of one driver.”
    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    To make it easy for you, l gave you Rosberg as an example. Now go do your research before you write your comments.
    I have.

    https://www.motorsportforums.com/sho...ampion!/page10
    Last edited by journeyman racer; 16th July 2019 at 13:15.

  11. #30
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Posts
    2,473
    Like
    53
    Liked 360 Times in 276 Posts
    They split their strategies yes but Bottas chose to accept that strategy. As the car qualifying on pole position he gets to choose the primary strategy and itís up to Hamilton to choose a strategy around it. Bottas could have easily chosen Medium, Hard as a strategy like Hamilton. Both drivers agreed to this approach in the morning strategy meeting. There was no favourtism, Hamilton simply outsmarted him, not alone in the strategy meeting but by also driving completely differently and more gently in Friday practice and then doing exactly the opposite on Sunday knowing Bottas would have studied his data on Friday to try find out how he preserved his tires. And he was still faster and able to save his tires more than Bottas was.

    Anyway, if Mercedes really wanted to favour Hamilton they could just prevent the drivers from seeing each other's data. Bottas would be screwed then.
    Last edited by The Black Knight; 16th July 2019 at 15:31.

  12. Likes: truefan72 (17th July 2019)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •