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Thread: 2019 Canadian F1 GP
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9th June 2019, 21:30 #51
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There should have been no penalty for Vettel because of these two issues:
1. First, it's pretty much impossible to stop a car that's bouncing on grass. The driver is basically a passenger over the grassy stretch.
2. Once on track, Vettel is clearly seen briefly turning the steering wheel right (steering front wheels towards the wall). However, if you study the incident from various angles, it seems like it was done to correct a subtle oversteer. The correction was small enough for the car to regain traction. There is no way Vettel could either brake or take a sharper left turn to allow Hamilton a full racing line because that would certainly make Vettel's car lose traction, specially with dirty tires after taking a trip off the track. In the worst case, both cars would end in the wall.
What really happened was a racing incident involving now classic Vettel mistakes under pressure, but there should have been no penalty.Last edited by zako85; 9th June 2019 at 21:34.
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9th June 2019, 21:40 #52
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9th June 2019, 21:48 #53
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Seb did make a mistake , and it's good on Lewis that he forced him into it , but it's hardly irrelevant that he didn't have control as he crossed the grass .
He was going somewhere around 100 mph across that grass , with no chance to change direction nor slow down once he was there , and went up over the curbing onto the track in full opposite lock , regaining control as he went across the track surface .
Lewis was never more than half way alongside him as they went through the corner , and by the time he was anywhere close , the gap was already closing .
That's the only reason he had enough time to dab the brakes , or at least lift , to get out from between Seb and the wall .
If the track was a car wider there , and Seb had regained control when he did , but still pushed Lewis wide into a wall , then Seb would deserve being penalized .
The other issue I have with the penalty , itself , rather than with the reasoning for it , is that it robbed us of a potentially wild ending , with Lewis actually having a stab at a pass instead of just staying under 5 seconds behind .
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9th June 2019, 23:46 #54
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Quite true actually, what you describe there is purely racing. Give no quarter and expect none in return. I have watched the race properly again and l can see why the penalty appears harsh. Hamilton in Vettel's position or any other driver on the grid would have done exactly the same thing that Vettel had to do.
The facts are simple,
firstly, Vettel made a mistake and cut across the grassy chicane.
Secondly, he did not have complete control of the car coming off the grass.
Thirdly, he did not maintain a car's width to Hamilton once he got control of the car.
I think he was punished for point three. He had control of the car at the point when he appeared to squeeze Hamilton to the wall, drastically reducing the required car's width he was supposed to give, thus forcing Hamilton onto the breaks in order to avoid a collision. This is the particular moment he was punished for. The stewards considered this aspect, dangerous driving and were forced to apply the rules.
To be fair, the stewards did their job correctly in the face of alot of public hope for a Ferrari revival which seemed to be in action.Last edited by Nitrodaze; 9th June 2019 at 23:51.
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10th June 2019, 00:48 #55
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Oh well, at least we know that the effects of this penalty, whatever they were, have very slim chances of affecting the championship at the end of season.
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10th June 2019, 04:54 #56
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10th June 2019, 07:30 #57
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And another thing. Why did Ricciardo leave RB?
Watch how they fried Gasly today!
Wowee!
If a team did that to Hamilton, truefan would go postal!
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10th June 2019, 09:06 #58
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Anyone thinking that motorsport should have penalties like that I cannot even believe that they want to watch it.
I remember fondly a time when racing drivers took their chances and raced hard.
This is why the sport I onced loved is now dying in my opinion. I despairI still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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10th June 2019, 09:38 #59
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Nobody was booting Riccardo out of RB. He just pulled an Alonso (2015) or Villeneuve (1999) by quitting a reasonably adequate team in favor of a pie in the sky, and will pay for it. Why did he do it? I think like most F1 drivers with an inflated ego he decided that the Red Bull team is too crowded for employing two racing geniuses at the same time. This happened so many times.
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10th June 2019, 11:00 #60
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Autosport have a good explanation of the stewards decision now:
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...nalty-decision
Still agree with the decision. He deserved a penalty. I'm replaying at the incident now and if you go in slow motion you can clearly see what the Autosport article refers. Correct decision by the Stewards.Last edited by The Black Knight; 10th June 2019 at 11:50.
https://youtube.com/shorts/iaODj9Qrj9Q?si=6im8Q92kx3Dhuoha
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