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    Quote Originally Posted by erikli2 View Post
    Neuville got help from marchalls, pushing the car from the power stage parking. Is that really allowed?
    Yes, it is allowed.

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    The Toyota World Rally Championship team has explained that a steering problem cost Ott Tanak Rally Italy victory.

    Tanak led Sardinian event by nearly half a minute going onto the final stage and looked set to collect a fourth win of the season and third in a row.

    Instead, he suffered a heartbreaking final-stage failure that left him fifth at the finish.

    Tanak's Yaris WRC was not the first to suffer steering problems in Italy, with team-mate Jari-Matti Latvala forced off the road on Friday when his steering locked solid.

    Toyota chief engineer Tom Fowler suspects the two incidents are related.

    "It Looks like Jari-Matti [pictured below] and Ott have had the same issue," Fowler told Autosport.

    "It's not something we have seen before.

    "All we know is that the components that came to this rally were all from the same group and all sealed here together.

    "So we've had something happen in that batch that doesn't seem to be correct."



    Fowler and his team will investigate the steering problem as soon as the car arrives back in Estonia.

    "We've got [to look at] the complete system, so it's hard to know what it could be," he said.

    "We will go away and investigate, but today it's difficult to say what it is. We need to check everything, but the feedback from the driver is the same."

    Fowler added that he did not think it was heat related - despite some of the hottest conditions in recent years being experienced in Italy.

    "We've run in conditions as hot and demanding as this before," he said.

    "From the timing, it looks like a batch-related thing. The parts are brought in as an assembly and put into the car."

    Tanak's problem handed a second WRC win to Hyundai's Dani Sordo.

    But with title rivals Thierry Neuville and Sebastien Ogier enduring tough weekends, Tanak's fifth place was still enough to move him into the WRC points lead.



    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...cost-tanak-win
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    So...

    Tanak: Superb, then despair. But did gain on his rivals. I would love to know whether this was a technical problem or driver error. [Edit: hah! See post above.]

    Ogier: Terrible. Hit a great big rock in plain sight that he'd been past several times. Somebody suggested that the C3 is pushing him over the edge like Meeke last year, and that does seem plausible.

    Neuville: Poor. Talked about car problems. Ended Friday with bad road position, and apparently you don't come back in Sardinia from that unless everything is wonderful.

    All the top three in the championship were lucky that the rest of the top three did badly.

    Sordo: on Friday morning, the commentator said "this is not exactly a Dani Sordo rally". Which is absolutely true. But road position and Tanak's off gifted him a win, and he didn't screw up. Well, good for him. I like the guy, he deserves a win.

    Mikkelsen: also had good road position. Threw it away a little on Friday morning with the wrong tires, but not enough to sink him. Drove well from there, deserves his good result, congratulations.

    It is often said that you can take a good driver and make them reliable, but you can't take a reliable driver and make them fast. Hyundai have found the way: hire extras, leave them out of half the rallies, and good road position will make them faster.

    Suuninen: good. Road position handed him a podium shot, and he took it with both hands. Drove well, looks like man who will keep his job, might even be a future star.

    Evans: ok/good. Still a decent result even though Mikkelsen passed him.

    Latvala: Terrible. Clipped a hairpin and rolled. I really like JML, he's so gloriously nerdy and he gives the best interviews. Also his old fashioned driving style is more fun to watch. If Meeke weren't in it, I'd be a Latvala fan. Poor guy, such a bad year. At least he is at Toyota, Citroen might have fired him today.

    Meeke: OK/poor. Did worse than his starting road position. Not knowing the rally hurt him on day one. Perhaps unfortunately he was close to Evans/Mikkelsen on day two -- did he push too hard, did that cause his spin/puncture, everybody at Toyota will be wondering this. Some consolation in that (a) he didn't crash and (b) he beat Latvala.

    At the moment, Mr Makkinen can ask himself if it would be so bad to swap one of these two for Rovanpera next year.

    Lappi: whatever. Showed some "it might be worth keeping this guy" speed at times, and didn't crash. Seems like the car and/or team orders were slowing him sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    Exactly. Spotted the same. One corner before it's not heavy but such nasty landing by right side on a rock, that maybe caused a problem
    https://sport.postimees.ee/6708824/s...cB87W5I8D4LTY8


    i dont know if you can see this outside estonia, the steering is turned to right by Ott but the car goes left. Exactly like Latvala on friday and what Fowler confirms.

    Then Tänak and Järveoja are having a conversation, mostly Ott who says: "its gone, the steering is gone, its f'cked up, hydraulics, it isnt turning at all"
    Martin says "maybe we should do a restart?"
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    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    Rally ItaliaSardegna
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    The @PresidenteACI Angelo Sticchi Damiani, announces the agreement with @OfficialWRC WRC to host the World Rally Championship in Sardinia also for the next three seasons 2020, 2021 and 2022.
    @Rally_d_Italia
    #jumpinginthedust
    So no Rally Corsica & Rally Germany.
    If in doubt, flat out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eli View Post
    So no Rally Corsica & Rally Germany.
    And no Rally Roma...

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    Malcolm's words from 2017 about Tänak being back in 2 years' time are looking more and more likely now. Didn't believe them at the time at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Päss1928 View Post
    Malcolm's words from 2017 about Tänak being back in 2 years' time are looking more and more likely now. Didn't believe them at the time at all.
    There is more to this than meets the eye.

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    Will be very interesting to see how driver lineups become for next season, across all teams

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morte66 View Post
    So...

    Tanak: Superb, then despair. But did gain on his rivals. I would love to know whether this was a technical problem or driver error. [Edit: hah! See post above.]

    Ogier: Terrible. Hit a great big rock in plain sight that he'd been past several times. Somebody suggested that the C3 is pushing him over the edge like Meeke last year, and that does seem plausible.

    Neuville: Poor. Talked about car problems. Ended Friday with bad road position, and apparently you don't come back in Sardinia from that unless everything is wonderful.

    All the top three in the championship were lucky that the rest of the top three did badly.

    Sordo: on Friday morning, the commentator said "this is not exactly a Dani Sordo rally". Which is absolutely true. But road position and Tanak's off gifted him a win, and he didn't screw up. Well, good for him. I like the guy, he deserves a win.

    Mikkelsen: also had good road position. Threw it away a little on Friday morning with the wrong tires, but not enough to sink him. Drove well from there, deserves his good result, congratulations.

    It is often said that you can take a good driver and make them reliable, but you can't take a reliable driver and make them fast. Hyundai have found the way: hire extras, leave them out of half the rallies, and good road position will make them faster.

    Suuninen: good. Road position handed him a podium shot, and he took it with both hands. Drove well, looks like man who will keep his job, might even be a future star.

    Evans: ok/good. Still a decent result even though Mikkelsen passed him.

    Latvala: Terrible. Clipped a hairpin and rolled. I really like JML, he's so gloriously nerdy and he gives the best interviews. Also his old fashioned driving style is more fun to watch. If Meeke weren't in it, I'd be a Latvala fan. Poor guy, such a bad year. At least he is at Toyota, Citroen might have fired him today.

    Meeke: OK/poor. Did worse than his starting road position. Not knowing the rally hurt him on day one. Perhaps unfortunately he was close to Evans/Mikkelsen on day two -- did he push too hard, did that cause his spin/puncture, everybody at Toyota will be wondering this. Some consolation in that (a) he didn't crash and (b) he beat Latvala.

    At the moment, Mr Makkinen can ask himself if it would be so bad to swap one of these two for Rovanpera next year.

    Lappi: whatever. Showed some "it might be worth keeping this guy" speed at times, and didn't crash. Seems like the car and/or team orders were slowing him sometimes.
    Look at Meeke onboard S15. He done nothing wrong.

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