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    They just messed up with that red flag. You should either do it immediately, already for the first car passing after Lappi, or you shouldn't do it at all... Now it's impossible to make any correct decision.

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    SS10 and SS13 are same, usually 2nd runnings time has something to with their decicions (SS2 El Chokolade decicions went like that)
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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    What do you guys think would be the "fairest" time loss they'll give Ogier compared with Meeke's time?
    The organisers will have the tracking from the cars so they will know how far Ogier had to go when the red flag was received in the car and the exact time he had taken until then as well . Looking at the splits I don't know if Ogiers last split was before or after the red flag but he was 18.4 down on Meeke at that point , it will be an interesting decision …….

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    Quote Originally Posted by satnav View Post
    The organisers will have the tracking from the cars so they will know how far Ogier had to go when the red flag was received in the car and the exact time he had taken until then as well . Looking at the splits I don't know if Ogiers last split was before or after the red flag but he was 18.4 down on Meeke at that point , it will be an interesting decision …….
    When Neuville got stuck in dust after one car that was changing puncture (don't remember who that was) in Portugal 2017, they used only split time differences, even though they had the tracking.

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    How the hell did Meeke do that time anyway ? Just amazing.
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    They can take GPS data from the moment when the stage was redflagged. GPS tracks are recorded and timekeeping is GPS based, so, they can find the time difference between stage winner and Ogier/Latvala from the moment when red falg was applied. It is a bit hard to estimate further timeloss during the same stage as the puncture gets worse. Ogier should win from this decision abit, but it is the clearest fact-based decision they can take.
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    Ogier have to manage 2 stages with no spare also(40,5km total)

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    These calculated times are always about "what if". Personally I think that it's better to avoid and if possible give drivers, who are in direct fight, same notional time. The situation when it's needed is very rare and while we can say that it's unfair for the one who already finished and could have won some time we can say the same about calculated time loss for the other. You simply can not know what would have happened in the rest of the stage. That's why I think it's better to avoid any such calculation (generally speaking - of course in this particular case when we know that Ogier had a puncture it's impossible that he could have taken some time back).
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    They cant know for sure the exact point of Ogier's puncture so it cant be taken into account. Giving identical notional times of those involved are usual in such cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    How the hell did Meeke do that time anyway ? Just amazing.
    Was a great time and from nowhere really, he's been very solid all weekend up to this point but not showing the top speed.

    Possible he could've been overdriving or pushing extra hard though, which ofcourse comes with risks. He didn't say too much at the stage end

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