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Thread: Format of the WRC rallies
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13th December 2018, 04:55 #21
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In some rallies (like sweden and turkey and some other) are really unfair for first cars on the road. Winning in Monte Carlo = having no chance in sweden due to road order.
There is no perfect solution for road order problem. Adding 20 km long qualifying stage to gravel rally still makes it unfair for first 3-4 cars on the road , (and unfair for last cars on tarmac) stage). Shakedown qualifying is in my mind the best solution for the current dilemma.
2nd Option is to make a power stage like qualifying stage (still quite short) on tarmac and do it just after shakedown.
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13th December 2018, 05:19 #22
Some years with less snow first on the road has been an advantage for Sweden, with later cars losing studs in the gravel after digging through the snow. This year they had a big dump of fresh snow right before the rally and it was a disadvantage. The variable isn't the road position, its the weather conditions.
Similar thing - usually a late road position is good for Sardegna, this year the friday was a mudbath making later cars very slow and then giving them a bad road position for the saturday because it dried out.
Poland a few years ago nobody after about 4th on the road could get anywhere close to the starters because they were fighting through 300mm deep ruts dug by the first cars.
You can single out individual rallies to show an advantage either way, but it usually averages out over a season - they get advantage on some rallies and disadvantage on others. What some people seem to want is for the fastest drivers to get reshuffled into an advantageous position for every rally (which sometimes can't even be decided until the rally starts), making the competition less close.
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13th December 2018, 19:40 #23
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Talking about shorter events makes sense, once Ciesla already mention it as a way to get more events into the calendar; but what do people think about the calendar expansion: Is it worthy for the sport? Will it stop on the 14 events? How would the ideal championship look like? Besides shorter events, what other ways could be found to balance the promoter expansion ambitions and manus raising costs?
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14th December 2018, 02:36 #24
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14th December 2018, 06:12 #25
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14th December 2018, 07:32 #26
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Unfortunately that might prove a little difficult. They can be very long days and if you start looking at 2 shifts, you may need many more officials. In any case Ogier was on his way back to Europe on the Sunday night this year.
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14th December 2018, 07:38 #27
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In this example Friday would be shorter, so the officials who didn't work on Friday morning could work the extra Saturday shift? But yeah, I admit I don't know how this would be done in practice and I already tried to make an example schedule for Rally Finland (whose route, stages and distances I know quite well) and noticed it's pretty tricky to squeeze that many kilometres into one Saturday.
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14th December 2018, 16:44 #28
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14th December 2018, 17:31 #29
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With all live you don`t see new stages, when they are first introduced.
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14th December 2018, 17:41 #30
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GravelBen have already touched the subject, but over the last years (since VW got involved and Ogier started complaining), the only year where it has been a disadvantage running first in Sweden was 2018, in a majority of these years it's been an advantage going early, not only due to the later cars losing more studs, but on icy surface without loose snow on top, you rip up icedust, that will be sprinkled on top of the surface, making it more slippery for the late starters.
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