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    don't argue with Pluto about the things he knows!
    even if you try, then prepare yourself for the discussion... i.e. Total not Panta this year for WRC, tires most often you use different, etc, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Well, WRC2 has professional-level competition and the rallies are long and expensive. I heard in the Absolute Rally podcast that a WRC2 rally costs roughly double the amount of an ERC rally. And doing national rallies in some country (Italy, Finland) would probably be even cheaper. And competition-wise, it's good to learn to win, to build mental strength on keeping a lead and finishing a rally under pressure. It's easier to win a national rally or an ERC round than in WRC2. Of course, you have to go to WRC2 at some point if you want to be a professional, but if your career is at the point where you want to learn different types of roads outside your country, it just doesn't feel like a cost-effective idea. If you have the budget/backing and modest results won't take that backing away, then no problem.
    Actually I wasn’t trying to compare different series costs but only to say how pointeless it’s to judge drivers about the way they get money to run; as long they pay the bills they’re all entitled to do it, no matter if its 'mammy or daddy' (btw, why not the wife or the gf?), their ASN or a bunch of sponsors supporting them.

    But once we got here I’d like to ask about MSport runing deals. Can someone say how much more a JWRC competitor will spend on a series program with MSport than on a ERC U27 with, f.i., Sainteloc on a 208? The same for a WRC2 program on an MSport Fiesta rather than ERC U28 on a Motorsport Italia Fabia or any other car from a small scale team.

    It's always amazing to see the number of JWRC and WRC2 cars that MSport rent and service at WRC events; maybe their larger scale, besides being the actual car builders, allows them to offer better deals than the competition, which may became tempting for drivers at the hour of choosing what series to run.
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    Rally addict since 1982

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    Come on. I was in JWRC in its golden era around 2005 / 2006, once I was as team manager also for Latvala in that time, I was in some WRC events with Bouffier and of course I am in contact with lot of drivers, so at least I have some "inside" informations...
    My first word was "True"
    Which means that I agree with Mirek.
    But it´s not secret that you "hate" current WRC2 and JWRC
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    Now tell me, when was last time that some WRC team pull some guy from national over WRC support series?? It will be even harder when old guys are coming back and some of the established needs to stay at home.
    Kalle Rovanperä got factory deal before any WRC level starts.
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Kalle Rovanperä got factory deal before any WRC level starts.
    Wales and Australia 2017?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Wales and Australia 2017?
    And if he wouldn't get the offer he would definetly be hired at M-Sport immediately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Kalle Rovanperä got factory deal before any WRC level starts.

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    Last edited by Essaj; 13th January 2019 at 18:06.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodge33cymru View Post
    If Huttunen is driving with Printsport in Sweden, I guess we can put a fork in Hyundai's works R5 programme? They've been conspicuously quiet about it since the end of last year.
    Oh. He’s in a Fabia.. so did Hyundai give up on him and/or the R5 programme altogether?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essaj View Post
    Same man said last summer that Nordgren is more talented than Kalle.
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Kalle Rovanperä got factory deal before any WRC level starts.
    due to the contacts of his rich and famous daddy. otherwise he would just be a youngster driving in the local finnish rally's at this time, like everybody else of his age.

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