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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Btw, this talk about driver A or B running the WRC just because they’re loaded seems a bit stupid; do drivers run the national series or the ERC without costs? Without money (personal or sponsors) no one can succeed in motorsport.
    Well, WRC2 has professional-level competition and the rallies are long and expensive. I heard in the Absolute Rally podcast that a WRC2 rally costs roughly double the amount of an ERC rally. And doing national rallies in some country (Italy, Finland) would probably be even cheaper. And competition-wise, it's good to learn to win, to build mental strength on keeping a lead and finishing a rally under pressure. It's easier to win a national rally or an ERC round than in WRC2.

    Of course, you have to go to WRC2 at some point if you want to be a professional, but if your career is at the point where you want to learn different types of roads outside your country, it just doesn't feel like a cost-effective idea. If you have the budget/backing and modest results won't take that backing away, then no problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I heard in the Absolute Rally podcast that a WRC2 rally costs roughly double the amount of an ERC rally. And doing national rallies in some country (Italy, Finland) would probably be even cheaper. And competition-wise, it's good to learn to win, to build mental strength on keeping a lead and finishing a rally under pressure. It's easier to win a national rally or an ERC round than in WRC2
    Somewhere in russian sites Lukyanuk said that for ERC campaign budget was 400 000 EUR while for WRC2 2019 he needs around 1 million.

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    R5 kilometer cost the same no matte if you drive in a national rally, erc or wrc. Of course 300kms+ costs more than 200 in erc or 100 in national rallies. #quickmaths

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essaj View Post
    R5 kilometer cost the same no matte if you drive in a national rally, erc or wrc. Of course 300kms+ costs more than 200 in erc or 100 in national rallies. #quickmaths
    Logistics, accomodation, entry fee...
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    And also you need dont to forgot that in WRC there are longer distances between services, so you are forced to preventive change of parts more often.

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    And it's also a bigger risk investment if you retire early in a longer rally. You have still done a long recce and payed the entry fees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Logistics, accomodation, entry fee...
    Thought we were talking about doing national rallies in different countries than your own. There is always logistics in play.
    If you're able to run R5 accommodation shouldn't be a problem. Also you need accommodation even for national rallies, it's just couple/few added days.
    WRC2 entry fee is what few thousands and you can reduce that atleast in most events by just running the national field if that is really necessary.

    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    And also you need dont to forgot that in WRC there are longer distances between services, so you are forced to preventive change of parts more often.
    Many rallies have long liaisons and when the cars are run on road mode the parts really don't wore off that much.


    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    And it's also a bigger risk investment if you retire early in a longer rally. You have still done a long recce and payed the entry fees.
    Even just doing the recce is not that bad since the same stages are probably run next years also. This is why many drivers travel to events just for the recce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Essaj View Post
    Many rallies have long liaisons and when the cars are run on road mode the parts really don't wore off that much.
    You didnt get my point. It is different if you are doing 130 kms of stages per leg without service (only at the beginning of the day and at the end) and if you have one or two regular services during the day...

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    Another way to look at it: if you have a budget for 4 WRC2 rallies, 8 ERC rallies or 12 national rallies for a year, it's probably better to keep your skills up by rallying once every month rather than having long gaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    You didnt get my point. It is different if you are doing 130 kms of stages per leg without service (only at the beginning of the day and at the end) and if you have one or two regular services during the day...
    yeah I missed it but still its not really true. there is always the km mark when you're suppose to change the parts and if some of it has to be changed every 100kms it's added to the rent price already. So still the €/km stays the same, your own team or the ream you rent from has taken that into count. You may be able to play it safe and swap parts more frequently but you could also do that in national rallies.

    if you drive 10 national rallies ≈ 1000kms in a year is roughly same cost as 3 WRC rounds + entry fees.
    So if you're doing national rallies away from home with a 100% rented car + service it could be even cheaper to run the km's in WRC rounds because of less traveling/working days.

    To run whole 6-7 event season in WRC2 is of course more expensive than ERC or National championship + added rounds to get the same KMs but it's depending on what you value.

    BUT I agree you guys on there that it's better to spend your yearly budget on a national rallies/ERC if you have to choose between that or 1 or 2 WRC2 outings.

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