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    Woolf vs Horner



    Toto Woolf and Christian Horner are both two of the most successful team bosses in F1 today. The only other person to achieve such success in living memory, is the FIA president Jean Todt who steered Ferrari and Michael Schumacher to five double world championships. And Sir Frank Williams of course. Woolf and Horner combined have won nine of the last 10 seasons driver and constructors world championship titles. With Woolf winning seven to Horner's four.

    Since the Mercedes emergence as the team to beat in F1, Horner and Redbull have had an eight-year drought. Redbull has ever since done its ought most to stay within the top three teams. Redbull has taken its drought well showing the character of why they were multiple world champion. At least better than other teams that have tasted similar levels of success, like Williams and Mclaren.

    The 2019 regulations imposed a new chassis architecture on the teams and presents us with a potential opportunity to see these two stars of F1 team management go head to head properly. If we make a rough analysis of the Mercedes and the Redbull cars, one may say the Redbull car has a superior chassis to Mercedes but the Mercedes has a superior power unit. You would be mistaken, if you think the Mercedes chassis was poor, on the contrary.

    But this rough analysis would suggest that Redbull are favourites to put together the leading chassis of the 2019 season. But that is one component of the perfect package; they need a powerful engine and a very fast driver. They have Vertstapenn that is proving to have championship-winning calibre. The question mark is the engine. The Honda engine propelled Gasly to 4th at Baku with its long straights where engine power was a requisite to finish in the top six. This was an eye-opener that suggests that the Honda engine may pack enough punch to propel Redbull to another world championship title.

    If this hypothesis is correct, we are in for a real treat in 2019 as we get to watch these two go head to head for the first time in potentially equally competitive cars or at least closely competitive cars. We have watched Woolf take on Arrivabene of Ferrari and won both duels in a TKO. How would the head to head between two of the most successful team bosses in F1 today turnout?

    The two men are so different.
    Woolf is a well-considered and eloquent speaker. He likes to take a back seat from race operations at his specially constructed observation post in the garage. Leaving the pitwall to the engineers and race strategists etc .

    Horner is a fellow that does not mince words, he tells it like it is. You can like what he has to say or lump it. He likes to sit in the thick of the action and be actively involved in the decision-making process etc.

    Both men are viciously competitive, though Woolf is very diplomatic about his competitiveness. Both have the mentality of a winner, hence losing is a bitter pill to take. Both are resolutely confident they can beat the other. Though Horner has suffered defeat from Woolf the last five years due to under-powered Renault engines.

    Horner with two of the most exciting young drivers on the grid takes on Woolf with a seven times driver world champion and a very fast and experienced teammate in Bottas. This has all the hallmark of a cracking season; Hamilton vs Verstapenn yeah!
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    I have a feeling this thread will die a death but here are some other thread ideas for you... Gerri Halliwell vs Suzy Woolf style war... or maybe Red Bull teaboy vs Ferrari teaboy rap battle?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    I have a feeling this thread will die a death but here are some other thread ideas for you... Gerri Halliwell vs Suzy Woolf style war... or maybe Red Bull teaboy vs Ferrari teaboy rap battle?

    Be kind :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    I have a feeling this thread will die a death but here are some other thread ideas for you... Gerri Halliwell vs Suzy Woolf style war... or maybe Red Bull teaboy vs Ferrari teaboy rap battle?

    Well, Well, here we are at Hungaroring and the head to head between these two highly successful team bosses is beginning to take form with Rebull giving Mercedes two bloody noses coming into this race. And it looks so close this weekend on a Mercedes track that Redbull also goes very well on. Woolf needs a worth foe, and there is no one better than Horner to give him the sort of bother that he would relish.

    It is on, Woolf vs Horner.
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    Well at Hungary, I think RB fumbled. I said it when they didn't pit, and I'll say it again now. Though I did expect that Max would have at least some fight left when Lewis go to him, it turned out that the tire advantage was huge. Even if they had come out behind after pitting, both drivers would have had the chance to fight on fresh tires.

    Hindsight is always easy, but when RB didn't respond to the pit call I thought they really dropped the ball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitrodaze View Post
    Well, Well, here we are at Hungaroring and the head to head between these two highly successful team bosses is beginning to take form with Rebull giving Mercedes two bloody noses coming into this race. And it looks so close this weekend on a Mercedes track that Redbull also goes very well on. Woolf needs a worth foe, and there is no one better than Horner to give him the sort of bother that he would relish.

    It is on, Woolf vs Horner.


    Well Woolfie gave Christian a bloody nose today, Outboxed, out thought. He schooled him. The teaboys rap battle ended in a stalemate btw but Gerri wore a nicer dress than Suzy this weekend . Max drove very well and probably just shades it for my driver of the weekend.

    Red Bull/Honda/Verstappen being back at the front is a great to see. We just need Ferrari to get back in the mix now. Roll on battle royale No 2... or do Merc have it all in hand with their party mode? Is Lewis the real difference or do Merc still have a bit in hand in race pace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zico View Post
    Well Woolfie gave Christian a bloody nose today, Outboxed, out thought. He schooled him. The teaboys rap battle ended in a stalemate btw but Gerri wore a nicer dress than Suzy this weekend . Max drove very well and probably just shades it for my driver of the weekend.

    Red Bull/Honda/Verstappen being back at the front is a great to see. We just need Ferrari to get back in the mix now. Roll on battle royale No 2... or do Merc have it all in hand with their party mode? Is Lewis the real difference or do Merc still have a bit in hand in race pace?
    Mercedes piled on the pressure on Redbull and gave them a taste of what Ferrari has endured the last three seasons. And they cracked as the options fizzled out as the race went on. It is interesting that they instantly blamed horsepower for their blunder. The horsepower was good enough to produce poll, so WTF are they talking about.

    This race shows the possibilities available to Mercedes with a driver of Hamilton's calibre in their car. Put Bottas in Hamilton's position and this race would have been lost to Redull.
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    This is a delayed battle that is about to happen this season. Can Horner get the better of Wolff this season?
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    Could Bottas (see the writing on the wall) and pull a Rosberg? Take the fight to Hamilton which allows Max to slip into the fight?

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    Wolff 1 : Horner 0
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