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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Time penalties doesn΄t affect road order (new rule after Ogier΄s Sweden stunt)
    I mean if he just checks in late at the first stage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    - in addition the onboard is off course not uploaded on WRC+, so the only place to see it is on Alllive which will get deleted on monday or here: https://youtu.be/SGwgcCK9VPs and neither of those versions shows the marshal before the chicane
    All AllLive videos still available to watch when you get subscribed to WRC+. I'm watch 2nd day Spain two days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    It's more simple. Hyundai just better rally spirit team rather than all years cheating M-Sport. Ogier now not getting any respect and when win a 6th title by cheats, no driving - he lose last bits of respect, and no any farewell Citroen years could improve that.
    How have they cheated? Why have the FIA not penalised them for this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I mean if he just checks in late at the first stage?
    Then yes for that stage but for next stage he is 1st again...
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    It's more simple. Hyundai just better rally spirit team rather than all years cheating M-Sport. Ogier now not getting any respect and when win a 6th title by cheats, no driving - he lose last bits of respect, and no any farewell Citroen years could improve that.
    When did he cheat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    How have they cheated? Why have the FIA not penalised them for this?
    just remember who started slow down in early days when road order was decided on straight results 1st day?
    Now they slowed down every single time when Ogier couldn't drive fast by hisself and Evans and Suninen dropped position to him. all of this are cheats, not straight fight. And only one team not squeamish to use it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    just remember who started slow down in early days when road order was decided on straight results 1st day?
    Now they slowed down every single time when Ogier couldn't drive fast by hisself and Evans and Suninen dropped position to him. all of this are cheats, not straight fight. And only one team not squeamish to use it...
    That's completely legal team orders that have been part of motorsport for a century almost

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    just remember who started slow down in early days when road order was decided on straight results 1st day?
    Now they slowed down every single time when Ogier couldn't drive fast by hisself and Evans and Suninen dropped position to him. all of this are cheats, not straight fight. And only one team not squeamish to use it...
    That's not cheating though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Then yes for that stage but for next stage he is 1st again...
    nope. He will given a standard section target time.
    Normal way
    TC1 08:00. target time 00:20
    TC2 08:20

    penalty way
    TC1 08:05 +5min delay = +50sec penalty, target time 00:20
    TC2 08:25 0 min delay = 0 sec penalty

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    That's completely legal team orders that have been part of motorsport for a century almost
    too many other cheats stuff not prohibited directly. Are they allowed too?

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