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    Um, i think four cars without issues is quite representative of the conditions. Yes there were a few driving errors also, but still. If you are grown on those roads, you ofc like them, maybe you don`t even have experience from better roads, but not very enjoyable to other drivers. Also lottery is not the right way, although this time made the championship much more interetsing.

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    +1000 at sniper.Very well said. Agree from 1st to last word.

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    Saying that nobody forces WRC2 (JWRC etc.) competitors to come is completely stupid argument. Why to organize a championship event in which championship competitors don't take part? What sort of flawed logic is that?

    Why to organize such an event at all? It's World championship, not Kenyan, Turkish or whatever. Isn't saying something along "nobody came but twenty locals with 4 R5 will save the day" completely ridiculous?

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    Nicky Grist

    great to see all the drama of @rallyturkey over the weekend. A WRC round that is a real challenge to driver, team and car. A balanced approach from a driver keeps the car in good shape to deliver a good result for the team. Well done to Toyota who mastered the conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    Nicky Grist

    great to see all the drama of @rallyturkey over the weekend. A WRC round that is a real challenge to driver, team and car. A balanced approach from a driver keeps the car in good shape to deliver a good result for the team. Well done to Toyota who mastered the conditions.
    nobody cares what that grist thinks... we are talking about someone how says that 40% of the speed comes from the co-drivers... he is laughable

    he has an opinion because of his famous driver, by himself he is nothing...
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    Turkey was ok.Retirements at lower categories were ok (jwrc,wrc2) wrc2 cars finished without mechanical problems(Tidemand.Kopecky,Solberg)
    jwrc winner had a faultless rally.Yes the fiesta at the photo with the big rock.
    at wrc retirements were at level with other rallies.
    it was rough at some sections at very few stages.
    There is a place for such a rally at wrc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Saying that nobody forces WRC2 (JWRC etc.) competitors to come is completely stupid argument. Why to organize a championship event in which championship competitors don't take part? What sort of flawed logic is that?

    Why to organize such an event at all? It's World championship, not Kenyan, Turkish or whatever. Isn't saying something along "nobody came but twenty locals with 4 R5 will save the day" completely ridiculous?
    I respect your opinion on many things, but I'm surprised by your reaction here. It's the World Championship, not the ERC. It's inevitable that you will have rounds where European privateers in R5s will not choose to go in large numbers. This is precisely why WRC2 only counts seven rounds, with a result on one of those being dropped. Going by the question you pose in bold, the WRC couldn't exist. You exclude Mexico, Australia and Argentina from the WRC because the European privateers don't enter RC2 there. Without those rounds you don't qualify for World Championship status from the FIA.

    Most importantly though, I just don't understand why we are having a hypothetical argument on this subject now. You say Turkey was too rough for privateers. We've just seen the very definition of a privateer trounce the works R5s on Rally Turkey. What other round of the WRC would have given a true privateer such an opportunity to win RC2/WRC2 (if entered), the latter of which particularly is dominated by Works/Semi-Works and 'Managed', well funded Drivers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    wrc2 cars finished without mechanical problems(Tidemand.Kopecky,Solberg)
    Tidemand retired with mechanical problems, Kopecky had a double puncture and a broken driveshaft. Solberg was probably the only competitive R5 who finished without any issues.

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    Tidemand didnt retired from punctures?
    driveshafts failures we have even at asphalt rallies,even at wrc cars.
    another point is if you do plenty kms with punctures you give a big stress to driveshafts(not only)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda View Post
    The question is :"Are drivers ready?" not "Are the cars ready?"
    More than the drivers or the cars the tyres have been the weakest link on rougher events; maybe it's time to bring back the mousse.
    Rally addict since 1982

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