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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    how is it really hard to argue? He hasnt even touched the car, we dont know how the car will suit him, he hasnt driven a rally car for over a 5 months now, hell we havent even heard the official announcement.

    And already some journos are talking his WDC chances.

    And i have nothing against Meeke, i have said here thousand times that it was so wrong what Citroen did to him.
    When Meeke raced for Citroen (full season), only he was able to get rally wins with the car. Of course, he was far from title contender in these seasons.
    Now, he will drive (probably) in a proven race winning car, so yeah, this COULD be his best chance for a title. Even if it is unkown at the moment whether the car suits him or not. Hell, it would be my best chance as well for the title if got the drive.

    Jurnos like to exagarate everything like this, that drives clicks and shares. I bet you wouldn't have shared the article if it had had nothing controversial / bombastic / eye-opening statement in it. And I have to repeat, the video is of high quality, balanced reporting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Well a year ago some british jurnalists were saying Evans would fight for the title this year no matter what car he drives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Can you guarantee that he really asked for specific improvements and the team refused them? Probably you base that acceptation on a few comments from Ďunidentified sourcesí that the Brit press eagerly spread. The same press that forgot to mention that Alexis Avril, the C3 WRC chief of project, is a good friend of Meeke (since the C2 Junior days) and always supported him. The same press that failed to mention that Poland Ďsuspensioní was settled by the team with Meeke agreement, as he felt a break was needed. The same press that only question Meeke driving approach after he was fired, ignoring his error prone attitude through the years.

    Meeke is a top WRC driver, certainly one of the bravest and fastest around, but to ignore his limitations and blame the others for his faults wonít help him to improve, as it didnít help so far. Hopefully, heíll manage to get a more sensible approach while avoiding raise expectations too high; thatís probably the best way to enjoy next year(s) and provide Toyota and the fans a fantastic show. Fingers crossed!
    You are correct in what you say but you're too far to Citroen's side. Matton was the problem, he was in charge and got so many things wrong that we'd be hear all day talking about them. Meeke made mistakes and so did the engineers and design team. Simple.

    Meeke was pushing for changes that Mikkelsen and Loeb backed up. They all said the same thing, but Matton's management was poor and he sat on his hands till it was crisis management.

    The new technical director who came in even said Citroen's own engineers and development team had taken risks which backfired and that due to the previous successes, were perhaps too stubborn and stuck in their ways to make the changes earlier that the drivers wanted. Direct quotes.

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    If management is better now at Citroen, why they still thinking to race with only two cars and still not trust Breen... It will never change their thinking no matter who is pull the strings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    Meeke made mistakes and so did the engineers and design team.
    Thatís what Iíve been saying for ages! The C3 was a fiasco and all major players have their faults on it, from designers to test drivers and overall managers. During the 9 months spent testing the car before homologation, everybody felt it was ok and only after MC they realize it wasnít; worse: they were clueless about the way to fix it, no matter how much they all look for improvements. Meeke kamikaze driving style was also far from being helpful; among the frustration, suddenly a narrative arouse in the press: Meeke was a victim of the stubborn French. A totally unfair and biased line once we look back and realize the French were Meeke main supporters through his rally career and the staff actually respected him.

    Anyway, Citroen got rid of all C3 initial players and theyíre now working on a clean sheet, while Meeke is also having a fresh start in Toyota. Letís avoid wasting time with the troubled past and look forward, wishing Citroen and Meeke the best luck in the world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Well a year ago some british jurnalists were saying Evans would fight for the title this year no matter what car he drives.
    And every other countries' journos downplay their drivers chances do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd View Post
    And every other countries' journos downplay their drivers chances do they?
    Certainly not, but since the wrc promoter/site/allive coverage as well as hosts and commenters are mainly british the british jurnos dominate the english-language news.

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    Latest Colin Clark KT including newest rumour of Paddon to M-Sport... on-loan !

    https://youtu.be/MMVuAcgZNw4

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    Meeke to Toyota is quite a nice surprise, I didn't think we'd see him in a full time WRC drive again. It's good for the sport that he's still in, will bring some spice definitely. So that means Lappi to Citroen so the main players are settled and it's up to the rest to sort something out. The biggest unknown now is MSport's commitment and budget and i think it could stay that way until late in the year, maybe even december.

    Hyundai: Neuville, Mikkelsen
    Toyota: Tanak, Latvala, Meeke
    Ford: Suninen
    Citroen: Ogier, Lappi

    still going round the musical chairs: Paddon, Sordo, Evans, Breen, Ostberg and also lurking around is Tidemand. Also interesting to see if Loeb does a few rallies again and if Al Qassimi stays with Citroen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Certainly not, but since the wrc promoter/site/allive coverage as well as hosts and commenters are mainly british the british jurnos dominate the english-language news.
    You are right and the problem is aswell that most work for the same employer! When Motoring/Motorsport news was seperate from Autosport and we had other publications such as Rally Sport then us Brits had a choice who to believe. Now Evans and Benyon have to follow the same editorial steer to avoid upsetting the promotors.

    As much as I would like to support our home drivers I get as much joy watching a spectacular Estonian driver as much as the man from Dungannon.

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