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    Quote Originally Posted by Oliverk View Post
    Mby Lappi is just not good enough? With Rovanpera coming, Tommi just don't care about him. He has the best driver/car builder at the moment. And prob best second driver that is accepting his role. Neuville or Ogier as second driver is obvious no go. So prob he sees some commercial value in Meeke to offer him a drive for a year until Rovanperä arrives.
    Lappi has more points than Latvala and has been regularly faster than him most of the season. It's Lappi's first full season (so he has not driven 1/3 of the rallies before in WRC). That's seriously early to think he is not good enough, though yes he might be slower on pure speed than Meeke atm, but likely getting better points.

    Off course none of this means that Tommi "believes" in Lappi, which might be what you mean.

    Btw. Ogier on his first full season (2009) was told to learn and take it easy and was basically the slowest factory WRC in all rallies. (He even had lass points than Matt Wilson overall)

    Without discussing whether Latvala is best second driver (pretty close with Lappi and Mikkelsen there), I wonder how you get that he is accepting his role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    Try Loeb. Not suggesting Kris is by any means the driver that seb was, but outright speed he didn't fair too badly against Loeb's stage times.
    Μeeke was faster from Loeb at just one stage at last day.At all other stages Loeb was faster.
    https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2018/?s=160648

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    Μeeke was faster from Loeb at just one stage at last day.At all other stages Loeb was faster.
    https://www.ewrc-results.com/results...2018/?s=160648
    Yes, I didn't say he was faster, I said he didn't fair too badly against Loeb's stage times.
    Loeb is a class act. To be anywhere near his stage times in the same car is impressive. Many of the stages Kris was quite close.

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    And go back and look at rally Mexico stage times.
    More like 50/50 between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    As I understand it, Ford Performance are still to carry on supporting M-Sport with the car. Just maybe not as much as Ogier wanted.

    They have never been paying driver wages so that isnt any different.

    Evans is a Red Bull athlete, so is Suninen. They are sponsored independently from the M-Sport team deal.

    I agree a new headline sponsor will probably be important to continue, but they have competed without one before..
    They have, but back then the overall business was better (if I understood correctly what mr. Wilson meant). I don't think the driver salaries have been anything to worry about on any post-factory-era M-Sport line-up not including one Seb Ogier. Now that the champ's gone, it would be obvious that the factory is cutting also its support (which was said to be increased for 2018) towards the WRC program, but we'll see. I hope I'm wrong. It's just that seven-figure amount that is budgeted somewhere under "operations" that worries me.
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    It's perhaps too early for Kalle, but Malcolm has taken chances before when there's been no other big names available. So i hope/ wouldn't be surprised if he's on the phone trying to sort something with Timo Jouhki for Kalle. He has a 2+1 contract at Skoda atm, but it has a break clause if a WRC drive is offered...

    Kalle, Suninen and Breen at Msport next year would be exciting. All 3 are at different stages of their development but all 3 have potential to go far in the sport. Evans time is probably up and rumours are that he's out the door anyway.

    Developing young talent is what Malcolm has done best and with less pressure at a private team, Kalle could learn at the top end of the sport for 2/3yrs, before Toyota/Hyundai/Citroen want to hand him a massive contract. It doesn't even matter if he struggles for a year or two given his age, and he won't be as bad as the likes of Camilli anyway.

    The media interest would be bigger for Msport as well, instead of going for a dull line-up with Evans, Ostberg etc. Probably just wishful thinking from me though.

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    I wonder when the new Mk8 Fiesta R5 is due ? It could give M-Sport a big lift in sales income.

    BTW, a friend of mine has suggested M-Sport may withdraw from the Manu's WRC so they dont have to do the long-haul events. They could then just run cars for 'their' driver's on European rounds...

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    He has a 2+1 contract at Skoda atm, but it has a break clause if a WRC drive is offered...
    That clause only becomes applicable for 2020.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    BTW, a friend of mine has suggested M-Sport may withdraw from the Manu's WRC so they dont have to do the long-haul events. They could then just run cars for 'their' driver's on European rounds...
    Is this just your mate's idea, or is your friend somehow connected to M-Sport?

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    While out and about on WRGB I heard a few bits and pieces regarding a few of the topics, I don't know any of them to be fact, but here they are none the less.
    Lappi fell out personally with Makinen over him leaving a test early for personal reasons, which was not authorised. Apparently at one stage end on WRGB he was handed a cap, looked at it and it had TMR logo on, so he threw it away.
    I spoke to a guy who was at the Ogier test in Aberhirnant, and as the test concluded a friend of the chap approached the team about giving this guy a ride as he has been following rally since the 60's and it would be a lifelong ambition, and they said it was Ogier's test, so it was entirely up to him what he did. Ogier being a gent happily gave him a ride on his final run. He also said he asked what he had thought of the Citroen, and Ogier replied "Needs a lot of work".
    The M-Sport pulling out rumour was quite 'strong' with a few of the guys I speak with, but personally I am quite sceptical about this as WRC is M-Sports DNA. I would think if they can financially be there, they will be.
    The Meeke/Toyota thing was being talked about as fact, and it seems this was correct from the news this week.

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