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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    No, thats exactly what he said. It sounded like they will share the 3rd car.
    "Exactly" or "sounded like"? Seems you're just as confused as AnttiL.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL
    but he also says the third car is still open and they are "reluctant" to have a shared car - it seems he's contradicting himself on the latter...
    Most likely to be the case. Still water to go under the bridge here yet.
    Never do anything you wouldn't want to explain to a paramedic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sollitt View Post
    "Exactly" or "sounded like"? Seems you're just as confused as AnttiL..
    'Exactly' means thats what he said.

    'Sounded like' is my interpretation of the meaning.

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    If Paddon has an option to join Msport (which is the rumour), surely he has to take that over staying at Hyundai with the current half season he's getting?

    He's also getting smashed to pieces (as is Mikkelsen) by Neuville, who is the clear team leader and dominant driver/personality.

    He's stagnated and even if there's less money in it for him at Msport, I feel a full season is essential for him if he ever wants to kick on again.

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    Lol "smashed to pieces" some new vocabulary there. I liked that so much I had to put it in a spreadsheet, not posting the sheet cause it takes half the page, but feel free to use 2 mins in excel to recheck.


    I hereby start the 3 "smashed pieces indexes", listed from smallest pieces to biggest ones All indexes are weighted relative to number of starts and relative to the fastest driver in the team.

    a) By the number of stage wins:

    1. Evans (11.7%), 2. Suninen (12.1%), 3. Paddon (15.3%), 4. Lappi (25.8%), 5. Latvala (27.6%), 6. Mikkelsen (33%) 7. Sordo (45.8%)

    b) By the number of stages leading a rally

    1. Evans and Suninen (0%), 3. Lappi (1.3%)., 4. Latvala (2.7%), 5. Paddon (10.5%), 6. Mikkelsen (31%), 7. Sordo (47%)

    c) By the number of driver champ points: (manu are kinda unfair, mostly due to superrally)

    1. Evans (29.1%), 2. Suninen (40.8%), 3. Mikkelsen (43.9%), 4. Paddon (53.3%%), 5.Sordo (58.2%), 6. Latvala (58.3%) 7. Lappi (61.9%)

    And for the ultimate dust-smashed index, calculated as sum of placements in the previous 3 indexes:
    (I highlighted those than did full season in 2017 or earlier)

    1. Evans (3 points)
    2. Suninen (5)
    3. Paddon (12)
    4. Lappi (14)
    5. Latvala and Mikkelsen (15)
    7. Sordo (19)
    Last edited by mknight; 9th October 2018 at 14:44.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    He's stagnated and even if there's less money in it for him at Msport, I feel a full season is essential for him if he ever wants to kick on again.
    This.

    He’s knocking on a bit now too. Never realised he was that old before i Wikied him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Lol "smashed to pieces" some new vocabulary there. I liked that so much I had to put it in a spreadsheet, not posting the sheet cause it takes half the page, but feel free to use 2 mins in excel to recheck.


    I hereby start the 3 "smashed pieces indexes", listed from smallest pieces to biggest ones All indexes are weighted relative to number of starts and relative to the fastest driver in the team.

    a) By the number of stage wins:

    1. Evans (11.7%), 2. Suninen (12.1%), 3. Paddon (15.3%), 4. Lappi (25.8%), 5. Latvala (27.6%), 6. Mikkelsen (33%) 7. Sordo (45.8%)

    b) By the number of stages leading a rally

    1. Evans and Suninen (0%), 3. Lappi (1.3%)., 4. Latvala (2.7%), 5. Paddon (10.5%), 6. Mikkelsen (31%), 7. Sordo (47%)

    c) By the number of driver champ points: (manu are kinda unfair, mostly due to superrally)

    1. Evans (29.1%), 2. Suninen (40.8%), 3. Mikkelsen (43.9%), 4. Paddon (53.3%%), 5.Sordo (58.2%), 6. Latvala (58.3%) 7. Lappi (61.9%)

    And for the ultimate dust-smashed index, calculated as sum of placements in the previous 3 indexes:
    (I highlighted those than did full season in 2017 or earlier)

    1. Evans (3 points)
    2. Suninen (5)
    3. Paddon (12)
    4. Lappi (14)
    5. Latvala and Mikkelsen (15)
    7. Sordo (19)
    Love it! the STP index!
    Would be cool if a higher number was worse, ie smashed in to more pieces

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toyoda View Post
    Love it! the STP index!
    Would be cool if a higher number was worse, ie smashed in to more pieces
    Smaller number = smaller pieces.

    Was party trolling but also an idea for comparing how other drivers in same team do vs the 3 title contenders. Clearly the only one "smashed to pieces" is Evans. Paddon is a bit worse than others but the difference is not huge. (Suninen and party Lappi have much less experience than others so don't mention them)

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    I dont think anyone really needed this STP analysis. Just a look at the WRC points tables tells you much the same thing. The lack of results from Ogier's team-mates is glaringly obvious.

    However the STP index doesnt take into account Evans' bad luck or the fact that M-Sport is totally centred on Ogier (more testing, new cars, new aero etc.)

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    Actually it doesn't. Lappi and Latvala look very good when you look at points. But the relative number of stage wins and even more number of stages in lead seem to tell that they are actually not doing all that good relative to the fastest guy in the team.

    As to the "bad luck":

    [troll] Time to introduce "bad luck index". This time it's easy.... technical issue 1 point, technical retirement 2 points, didn't care about weighting it and didn't care about checking much tbh. Don't count "bad luck" in crashes. Higher number=more bad luck.

    Mikkelsen 8 (Monte, POR, SARD, TUR)
    Latvala 5 (Mex, Sard, GER, didn't give him any points for Argentina or Portugal)
    Evans 3 (Tur, GB)
    Lappi 1

    [/troll]

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Actually it doesn't. Lappi and Latvala look very good when you look at points. But the relative number of stage wins and even more number of stages in lead seem to tell that they are actually not doing all that good relative to the fastest guy in the team.

    As to the "bad luck":

    [troll] Time to introduce "bad luck index". This time it's easy.... technical issue 1 point, technical retirement 2 points, didn't care about weighting it and didn't care about checking much tbh. Don't count "bad luck" in crashes. Higher number=more bad luck.

    Mikkelsen 8 (Monte, POR, SARD, TUR)
    Latvala 5 (Mex, Sard, GER, didn't give him any points for Argentina or Portugal)
    Evans 3 (Tur, GB)
    Lappi 1

    [/troll]
    Is Mikkelsen's car the same one Paddon had last year?

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