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    I wish BMW could do WRC...
    I´m sticking to an 520 Nm 330 xd ...
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
    Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...

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    I30N is cheap, faster than a Golf Gti on track, mostly owned by those who occasionally take part of trackdays, so not seeing rallying also as a big influence on that cars sale. Cheap and fast hothatches have always been popular, take Civic Type-R for example, never been in rallying (apart from R3 and Gr. N / A privateers), yet popular even today (older cars, that run, though many of those have been crashed as well).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    I30N is cheap, faster than a Golf Gti on track, mostly owned by those who occasionally take part or them,so not seeing rallying also as a big influence on that cars sale.
    The i30n is supposed to be a great car. Anyway, it's used in TCR so more relevant to that than rally, as base car is different car entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Citroen involvement is and has often been a puzzle in WRC. They havent sold a real hot-hatch for years and now their car philosophy is 'Comfort is Cool'.
    DS3 with 210ish HP has been on sale for 10 years now and still is. That's as real as "small" hot hatches go. (similar to Fiesta ST and Polo GTI)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    DS3 with 210ish HP has been on sale for 10 years now and still is.
    Well current DS 3 is more like SUV

    google it!

    Peugeot 205 was perfect example what rallying did to sales.
    Quattro to Audi did same.
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Motorsport helps the brand, not direct sales of a specific vehicle in this day and age. It sits at the top of the marketing funnel (awareness) and provides heritage (if you do well). Times have changed, digital channels and sales techniques sell specific cars, motorsport improves reputation and has to be 'activated' to show ROI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Well current DS 3 is more like SUV

    google it!

    Peugeot 205 was perfect example what rallying did to sales.
    Quattro to Audi did same.
    The DS3 I am talking about is still for sale (now as "DS" and not Citroen and with reduced engine range) and as mentioned has been for 10 years. DS 3 Crossback that you seem to think of is a different (new) car.
    Goooglebeforetypingyourselfnexttime?

    The second part is a good example of what was also shown in the other thread. Grumpy old men talking about how everything was better 30 years ago.

    Advertising now and 30 years ago when the car market was completely different can't really be compared. 205 GTI was the first ever real hothatch, Quattro was the first "normal" car with 4wd.
    If you want to use the car sales argument Peugeot 206 is a much better recent example in a competitive market. Fabia marketing in some markets is a lot based on rallying these days as well. But generally motorsport is in later years more about "brand awareness" like tomhlord just wrote, than selling a specific model, becomes harder to measure the direct marketing effect that way though.

    Anyway, all this is off topic here.

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    Or maybe the first real hothatch was mk1 Golf GTI?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    The DS3 I am talking about is still for sale (now as "DS" and not Citroen and with reduced engine range) and as mentioned has been for 10 years. DS 3 Crossback that you seem to think of is a different (new) car.
    Goooglebeforetypingyourselfnexttime?



    Advertising now and 30 years ago when the car market was completely different can't really be compared. 205 GTI was the first ever real hothatch, Quattro was the first "normal" car with 4wd.


    Anyway, all this is off topic here.
    First ever real hot hatch!? Golf GTI preceded that by quite a few years. As did Renault 5 Gordini. And the lotus Talbot sunbeam. Maybe even mini cooper s (technically a saloon car) . . So 205GTI far from the first real hot hatch.

    Jensen interceptor also preceded the quattro by a long way.

    Maybe Googlebeforetypingyourselfnexttime?

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    https://www.driven.co.nz/news/motors...tion-for-2019/

    Hyundai really are agonizing over their driver decisions!

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