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    Quote Originally Posted by sinepikohv View Post
    I think he's been pretty OK. There have been rallies where he's been excellent, although he couldn't finish them in one piece. But as Oleg Gross (one of the biggest supporters behind Tänak) said: in order to learn your limits and become a good driver, you must drive on the edge. In order to feel your limit, you must experience crashes etc to know how to avoid them next time. Rallying isn't like going to the forest to pick up mushrooms.

    Teemu is just 25 and is doing pretty much his second (last year he was in a R5 in Monte) full season in WRC. Give him time. Clearly he has promise.
    if Malcolm has patience for some more years,is fine by me.

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    Suninen had epically bad start of the season with 4 crashes in 3 rallies, 2 of them in very first stage.

    Points per rally confirm what we talked about. Sordo looks even better, but 6 out of 8 rallies he drove were with start on dry gravel with one of the best road positions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Average points per rally.

    This is misleading as some (Hyundai) driver's are only entering the rallies they like and are good on.
    #M-SPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    This is misleading as some (Hyundai) driver's are only entering the rallies they like and are good on.
    You can very easily turn that argument around. The part time drivers spend much less time in the cars on stages an have therefore disadvantage of being somewhat rusty.

    For me it's not misleading. It's factual statement.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    also Suninen has to up his pace.Second full year,and not promising at all.
    Take the three first rallies off and suddenly Suninen is better than Loeb at 8.8 points average.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    You can very easily turn that argument around. The part time drivers spend much less time in the cars on stages an have therefore disadvantage of being somewhat rusty.

    For me it's not misleading. It's factual statement.
    Yeah it is factual, but you can't blindly look at that though without taking other factors into account. Hyundai drivers rotated and miss their weakest events ( sometimes for better starting position in their stronger events). For example, Mikkelsen has missed Spain and Corsica where he would've been slowest WRC car if we base it on all of his previous form in a Hyundai. Sordo missing Sweden, Finland and GB etc is the same case, doing those events would only have lowered the average pts per rally.

    We've seen in past drivers like Meeke doing part season and winning events due to running at the back. Breen comes in cold in Finland and is instantly on the pace in an i20 at Hyundais weakest rally, Meeke comes back after 6/7months out and is 2nd fastest in the first stage in Monte in a new car, Evans after a bad injury wins the first real stage of rally GB and has top speed all weekend. So looking at that, rust isn't that much of a factor for WRC drivers compared to good road position/ doing only favoured events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Take the three first rallies off and suddenly Suninen is better than Loeb at 8.8 points average.
    that you exlude his worst rallies out to compare him with a retired 45 year old driver with partial program,shows how big he has failed.
    Loeb at his first 2 years had 1 world championship,and the previous year was runner up to Solberg after citroen asked him to hold for the points for the constructors championship.

    There is nothing to compare mate,totally useless comparison...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    that you exlude his worst rallies out to compare him with a retired 45 year old driver with partial program,shows how big he has failed.
    Loeb at his first 2 years had 1 world championship,and the previous year was runner up to Solberg after citroen asked him to hold for the points for the constructors championship.

    There is nothing to compare mate,totally useless comparison...
    I didn't mean to compare him particularly with Loeb...let's then say with those rallies he's better than Meeke and the other Finns and closer to the level of Evans and Mikkelsen.

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    If you count only Sardinia, then Sordo is World Champion..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I didn't mean to compare him particularly with Loeb...let's then say with those rallies he's better than Meeke and the other Finns and closer to the level of Evans and Mikkelsen.
    Meeke had rally winning pace on.., those that I can remember
    Finland
    Portugal
    Germany
    Spain
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    Sunninen.. Had he any event where he was actually in the hunt?

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