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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    ive been thinking all the time what the championship would look like without the top3

    this is my maths before australia

    1. Meeke 173
    2. Latvala 170
    3. Evans 164
    4. Suninen 149
    5. Mikkelsen 147
    6. Lappi 139
    7. Sordo 137
    8. Loeb 98
    9. Breen 26
    10 Tidemand 23

    keep in mind that Evans missed three rounds, Hyundai guys also with partial programs.
    I didn't count power stage as they are highly affected by who is allowed to push (ex. Meeke in Spain, Mikkelsen in Turkey etc..), without them I get very different results:
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    Monte Sw Mex Cors Arg Chile Port Sard Fin Ger Tur GB Sp
    Mikkelsen 0 18 4 0 25 10 0 15 15 12 18 15 0 132
    Meeke 15 12 18 8 18 4 0 8 0 25 10 25 0 143
    Evans 0 15 25 25 0 18 18 12 0 0 0 18 12 143
    Latvala 18 0 10 6 15 2 15 0 18 18 10 0 15 127
    Suninen 4 0 0 15 10 15 25 18 10 0 15 0 10 122
    Lappi 0 25 0 12 0 12 0 10 25 10 25 0 0 119
    Sordo 0 0 8 18 12 0 0 25 0 15 12 0 25 115


    Or listed by points:
    Evans 143 (first because of more 2nd places than Meeke), missed 3 rounds
    Meeke 143
    Mikkelsen 132, missed 3 rounds
    Latvala 127
    Suninen 122
    Lappi 119
    Sordo 115, missed 5 rounds

    There are also some properly ridiculous results in there, like Latvala finishing 5th in Mexico 18 mins behind. That's highly unlikely to happen cause there would be other WRC cars. All the overseas events are really sensitive to this so all the drivers that did superrally or lost huge chunks of time but still made it to finish at those benefit a lot in this comparison.

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    I don't want to be the guy that spoil the parties but there are a lot of variable we are not taking into account like the road order and the pressure of being the leader of the championship.

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    Yes, instead of the all the sobbing with support categories, they should make a throphy for the fourth place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    You left R5 drivers out also...
    Rovanperä would be ahead of Breen and Tidemand.
    i know, i only counted WRC category and this was just for fun. E: to be clear i counted the R5 cars in rally results, not in the points table.

    How i did was, that i just took Tänak, Ogier, Neuville out of the results. In my calculation i have also included power stage points.

    Like mknight says some results were quite ridiculous, the same Mexico were Latvala was 5th with 18 minutes down but thats all because there arent many competitors on oversea rallies and a lot of guys in super rally.
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    #8 Ott Tänak - Martin Järveoja #8
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    It's pretty clear that Elfyn Evans is the 'best of the rest'.

    And hence the interest from Toyota for 2020.
    #M-SPORTER

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    It's pretty clear that Elfyn Evans is the 'best of the rest'.

    And hence the interest from Toyota for 2020.
    What's pretty clear is that Evans and Mikkelsen are clearly better than Latvala and Meeke (similar or better points with 3 rounds less) and much better than Suninen and Lappi. Note that they have an average of 10 points per round, so they could theoretically be on above 130 points with Meeke being next on 98.

    Judging between them is rather hard. As some indicators are slightly better for one and some for the other.
    Anyway I was very vocal already in April that Toyota should get Evans if they want to get much better chances in manu champ.

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    Average points per rally.


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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Average points per rally.

    Like i always thought, it takes 3 Finns to do the job of 1 Estonian 😁

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    also Suninen has to up his pace.Second full year,and not promising at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    also Suninen has to up his pace.Second full year,and not promising at all.
    I think he's been pretty OK. There have been rallies where he's been excellent, although he couldn't finish them in one piece. But as Oleg Gross (one of the biggest supporters behind Tänak) said: in order to learn your limits and become a good driver, you must drive on the edge. In order to feel your limit, you must experience crashes etc to know how to avoid them next time. Rallying isn't like going to the forest to pick up mushrooms.

    Teemu is just 25 and is doing pretty much his second (last year he was in a R5 in Monte) full season in WRC. Give him time. Clearly he has promise.

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