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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    i read it like 3 times but still so confusing and messy for me

    Like, "they did wrong but actually they didnt because its our fault but still they did wrong"
    Try the german article that I linked.

    Sounds clear, it's 30 mm longer, but it was homologated like that so it's FIA's fault and they can't penalize them. When trying to write a clarification they found some minor details also for other competitors, but 3 cm is massive if you ask me.

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    @reff92 Compared to previous years there has not been a single exclusion of a manu team for a few years now. People will remember Focus (in Monte around 2000), 206 in Argentina with water pump or Focus 06 in Portugal getting punished for 3 vs 4mm thick rear windows. Compare that with 30 mm longer rear wing!

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    okey understood now.

    so they have to make it 3cms smaller now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    okey understood now.

    so they have to make it 3cms smaller now?
    Seems so.

    In Turkey it won't matter but for the tarmac part in Spain that is a huge difference. See how (small) changes on the Hyundai ruined the car on tarmac before Spain 2017 and now before Finland again relatively small changes made it behave differently. Heck the changes to the front of the Yaris at end of 2017 were also relatively small.

    Quite some testing will be needed to balance things out imo. Which is why FIA didn't dare to force them to change before Germany but first for Turkey where it doesn't matter much so they have almost 2 months time.

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    Could smell some french influence in these news, but very interesting indeed how things start to turn out from now onwards

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    If the fia homologated that illegal rear wing its their fault. They should have noticed and told them to change it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    Could smell some french influence in these news, but very interesting indeed how things start to turn out from now onwards
    What do the french have to do with this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    What do the french have to do with this?
    Ogier - >Citroën - >Matton - > title fight slipping out of hands.... Need I go on about this?

    The timeline about these news after these cars have been run for more than 2,5 years is very interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    Ogier - >Citroën - >Matton - > title fight slipping out of hands.... Need I go on about this?

    The timeline about these news after these cars have been run for more than 2,5 years is very interesting
    The timeline is extremely logical as Citroen is right now working on changing their rear aero.

    If you want to run conspiracy theories you can turn it around saying that Toyota deliberately send the car to the homologation with multiple "on the edge" issues late so that FIA had little time to check properly and not keep them from starting in Monte 2017. At that time VW just left and they certainly couldn't discourage Toyota much.
    As mentioned Toyota had to rework multiple things on the car during the first rallies to comply with the homologation including things like materials inside the engine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    The timeline is extremely logical as Citroen is right now working on changing their rear aero.

    If you want to run conspiracy theories you can turn it around saying that Toyota deliberately send the car to the homologation with multiple "on the edge" issues late so that FIA had little time to check properly and not keep them from starting in Monte 2017. At that time VW just left and they certainly couldn't discourage Toyota much.
    As mentioned Toyota had to rework multiple things on the car during the first rallies to comply with the homologation including things like materials inside the engine.
    Usually things happen right from the start. You just do not "accidentally" discover new things after 2,5 years. Specially when this is not some thing which is hidden inside the car but seen to everyone for a quite a long time. I call this BS as this has some parisian scent in it.


    And the timeline is extremely logical indeed

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