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    The Breen update is so sad. The guy loves rally so much. Hope he gets something sorted soon. The WRC needs characters like him.

    Nice mention for his co-driver too:

    @Craig_Breen
    Something else I needed to add.. My partner in crime @scottmartinat is moving on to pastures new next year, and I would just like to thank him from the bottom of my heart for not only being ultra professional, one of the best friends a man could ask for..
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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    My opinion is that if whole thing would go in R5 direction than it is possible of new manufacturers coming since it would be a lot cheaper than it is now. Now you have Skoda, VW, Hyundai, Ford, Citroen with up to date cars. And I'm sure some would join that squad - like Toyota, Proton, Peugeot, maybe even Opel, Mitsubishi. Maybe some chinese companies.
    The whole R5 class would get much more expensive for all those hundreds of privateers if WRC teams start to use R5. Keep it as it is for good, please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Googol View Post
    The good thing in making R5 as the main class would be that there are a decent amount of rather equal cars, and no one has bothered to put ridiculous amounts of money into them, so even for newcomer manufacturers it might be a bit easier to catch. But as soon as it was made the main class, someone would be willing to put ridiculous amounts of money into them. And then they wouldn't be so cheap anymore. Of course, R5 has more limiting regulations, so the minimum cost of running a car might be a bit less, and the benefit from extra millions wouldn't be so big. But nevertheless, a main class that costs the same amount as R5 now just can't happen.

    The idea that motorsport is next to the devil now, but making a few top cars electric would make it a saint is absolutely ridiculous. Of course, there are a lots of dumb people deciding about their own and others' money, so as a PR stunt it might be worth it. A huge majority of emissions from global motorsport comes from moving the circus from one place to another. And then there is the local low level motorsport, which won't be electric any time soon. These combined, the benefit of a few electric cars disappears like a fart into Sahara.
    Basically agree except I don't believe that making R5 more expensive for all privateers is worth making them the top class.

    I personally don't believe a top level of motorsport can be made cheap no matter the rules. The teams will alwas spend how much is worth the title - and that's the more the more audience is watching, i.e. with more expensive and more spectacular cars the teams can spend more than with boring cars nobody really likes to watch (i.e. British championship few years back).
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    Correct me if I'm wrong: the R5 cars aren't as durable as the WRC cars thanks to cheaper parts being used. Therefore, if we sat down Ogier, Neuville, Tänak et al in R5's with a mission to go for the title, we would see a lot more technical retirements and/or careful driving. We would also see more punctures due to different types of tyres being used. A major accident in an R5 car could result in worse injuries than the same in a WRC car with more width and side padding.

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    Works run R5 cars are pretty reliable. Usually it's the privateers who has the reliability issues because they don't have same service options as he works teams do. Generally the R5 would be likely somewhat less reliable but not that much.

    For the record Kopecký never ever retired with technical problem with R5 car no mater where - in four years and eight different championships. That must be an all time record for the sport and it's not yet broken.

    You can use WRC ytres on R5 cars. No problem with that from technical point of view. You would only a bit limit the performance by using heavy tyres.

    In case of side impact the current WRC cars are safer but arguably most of their accidents also happen in higher speed therefore it's sort of unknown. I think that nobody including FIA is able to say if current WRC cars or R5 cars are generally safer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Basically agree except I don't believe that making R5 more expensive for all privateers is worth making them the top class.

    I personally don't believe a top level of motorsport can be made cheap no matter the rules. The teams will alwas spend how much is worth the title - and that's the more the more audience is watching, i.e. with more expensive and more spectacular cars the teams can spend more than with boring cars nobody really likes to watch (i.e. British championship few years back).
    Maybe I wasn't too clear, but I mostly meant that while it might spice up the top class a bit now in terms of amount of competing manufacturers and privateers, it probably wouldn't last as the costs would go up and most would disappear. And of course, we would lose a good secondary class.

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    I wouldn’t like to see R5 as top class of WRC but I would love to see Mone Carlo dropped from WRC and run as a stand-alone season opener with R5 as the top class.

    Still miss the IRC Monte days with entry list comprising of best IRC drivers, guest WRC drivers and some old retired guys like Auriol, Delecour etc all competing on a level playing field.

    Also without the constraints of the WRC schedule and with proper full live tv coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    I get the argument, everyone reminisces about group B, and the current regs are probably the closest we've got since. Trouble is, with such specialised cars and few works teams, there aren't enough seats to go round.

    With these regs, it can be a career killer, or even non starter.
    Even if one could get their hands on a group B car they could run it in other series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    The Breen update is so sad. The guy loves rally so much. Hope he gets something sorted soon. The WRC needs characters like him.
    He sounded optimistic about getting a WRC deal later in the season: “there’s a very good chance of being back before too long”. Fingers crossed for him! Btw, nice T Shirt.
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    How much does WTCR cost now after making TCR cars the top. Well probably a way less since this season was quite awesome and next one all manus will run 4 cars and one coming back (volvo). So don't say that making R5 the top would not be cheap. I mean it's exciting now, we must enjoy but I think that Citroen could be gone after their plan (we see that they are not after the manufacturer championship) and M-Sport literally run on fumes year by year. I really hope that no one will leave but even Hyundai could pull out if they will not bring titles any tine soon. And promoter pushing for more events and that kind that are out of Europe. That's really not helping the sport and bring new names into it.

    Simply they could (if wrc would die) that they make R5 top class and at the same time made privateer cup so even if some Guerra would be 12th overall and best of privateers (I know bad example) he would win it. If all manus with their R5 machines would run each 3 cars then they could even change scoring system so it would be fair to guys that would be placed after tenth positions.

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    That is the difference you know...World Rally Championship.
    WTCR is quite a poor example when talking about a pinacle of one series, which i would say, is WEC in circuit racing (leaving the formula cars beside).
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