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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    I just remember how Lappi praised the C3 saying it is better than the Yaris. Seemed to be strange at that time and now I guess he regrets it.

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    Where did he say this? I remember him commenting on the engine differences, nothing else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Where did he say this? I remember him commenting on the engine differences, nothing else.
    I read it in our local media maybe was lost in translation but that was the comment after the first tests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Where did he say this? I remember him commenting on the engine differences, nothing else.
    i ve read it too.
    If i remember correct,he said that he cant understand all this talk about how bad the c3 was.And that was after he had tested the car.

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    Could be a translation issue as IIRC Lappi has been quite cautious with statements regarding the C3 from day one. The only pure comparison I remember was about the engine characteristics, probably the same AnttiL already mentioned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    I just remember how Lappi praised the C3 saying it is better than the Yaris. Seemed to be strange at that time and now I guess he regrets it.

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    This was on test before Monte, he said basically 2 things:

    - that the car wasn't so tricky as people say

    - that notably the engine and gearbox were better (this part was likely related to the stalling issues under breaking in Yaris)

    Monte test was dry+wet + snow tarmac though, not gravel. But I think he did some gravel test in Portugal at end of 2018 too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    This was on test before Monte, he said basically 2 things:

    - that the car wasn't so tricky as people say

    - that notably the engine and gearbox were better (this part was likely related to the stalling issues under breaking in Yaris)
    If we're referring to same sources, here's what Lappi actually said:

    https://www.rallit.fi/esapekka-lappi...n-kierroskone/

    Interview with a Finnish rally site, published on the week Lappi had his second Monte PET session. Interview in Finnish, text in Finnish.

    The car has potential but especially on gravel we need to work more to get that potential out. There's unused potential on aerodynamics area. We're lacking downforce on gravel. The engine philosophy is different between Citroen and Toyota. With Toyota you have more torque where as Citroen has more power on higher revs. I don't know which one is better or faster, but that's one major difference. The gearbox and transmission seem to be working better on C3 than they did on Yaris. That's a clear step forward.

    https://www.rallit.fi/esapekka-lapil...oyotaa-edella/

    Another one, published after the first Monte PET session in December 2018. This Finnish article refers to an interview Lappi had done with rallye-magazine.de, so the quotes we see have probably been through a translation process of English => German => Finnish.

    The car didn't feel difficult to drive. On some areas the Citroen engine has more power than Toyota, which is slightly better to drive (hard to figure out, what EP actually meant - sounds like a clumsy translation to me). On the transmission side Citroen is clearly ahead. The car has potential especially on gravel, and we want and plan to use it. It's harder to see (the road) from the cockpit of C3 as the windscreen is narrower and the front of the car is really high.
    ku ois nelj pyr ku vetis ni ois vhn eri sekunnit kyll ptkill, sen m takaan

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    i remember in one interview he said that it just needs some tweaks and it will be the best car or smth like that. im too lazy to search for it.


    Anyway, we with my friends were very surprised by his comments at that time. Like, you havent even done one rally with the car and you already say its better there and there and with some tweaks it will be the best car.


    Testing is one thing, rally another. Shame its gone so wrong for him, really miss the happy Lappi, tired of the unhappy one.
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    "Some famous quote from some famous person"

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    Also strange Lappi thinking his 'move to Citroen was a mistake'.
    I thought he was unhappy at Toyota and moved more because of that, not because he thought the C3 was a better car.

    As for contracts, they dont tie a driver to a Team, rather the other way around....
    I doubt Citroen wouldnt stand in Lappi's way of he chose to move.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Also strange Lappi thinking his 'move to Citroen was a mistake'.
    I thought he was unhappy at Toyota and moved more because of that, not because he thought the C3 was a better car.
    The way the rumors went here it was more like Tommi and him had some disagreements.

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    The word around the virtual Finnish service park is that it was indeed more because of some chemistry issues between different individuals than the car itself. And I have no inside information whatsoever, so it can all be #fakenews as well, but that's how I understood it.
    ku ois nelj pyr ku vetis ni ois vhn eri sekunnit kyll ptkill, sen m takaan

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