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    No I mean regular, look how much models brands introduce every year. There is like whole series of SUV-s. What we have back in the old days when only american Ford and Suzuki have lots of different models. Now almost every brand have 3 or more. Do you have to say that for hothatches, when there is one or maybe two. And even the second one is practicaly estate.

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    There are still quite many hothatches in different sizes from many manuf. Same goes with the SUV, easy to make one...platforms are shared with their hothatch siblings for example. That doesn`t mean that they are so hugely popular and can be boosted with rallying. In Western EU, especially in citys/towns with oldtowns, smaller cars are popular...SUVs mostly just substitute or could be called large MPVs and estates, for those who want to put their kids, dogs and lifestyle equipment in it and have a practical need for it... you can`t sell Yaris as a family car to a family with 3 kids and a dog, on the otherhand small SUVs are not such a huge trend...the clearence is not really utilitarian at all, nothing you can`t get from lets say, ix20, Leon X-Perience etc. And lets not forget, that most new cars are bought by companies, country institutes and taxi companies and they mostly go for money per km.

    First googled answer for the most selling cars in EU 2018 and hothatches own it pretty much, with only Tiguan and Qasqhai in 5. and 6. place, with around 50% less sold than Golf`s:
    https://focus2move.com/europe-best-selling-cars/
    Last edited by Tarmop; 5th February 2019 at 19:09.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GigiGalliNo1 View Post
    An SUV like the MINI Countryman?
    One total failure was not enough?

    Actually two total failures (SX4)...

    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    No I mean regular, look how much models brands introduce every year. There is like whole series of SUV-s. What we have back in the old days when only american Ford and Suzuki have lots of different models. Now almost every brand have 3 or more. Do you have to say that for hothatches, when there is one or maybe two. And even the second one is practicaly estate.
    Why should anyone use SUV, i.e. a thing which has terribly large frontal area, thus horrendous aerodynamics, high center of gravity and a few hundred kilos overweight? How do You think anyone could force manufacturers to use completely non-suitable base cars and not something much better suitable for the task?

    And come on, nearly all major manufacturers offer some sort of hot hatch.
    Last edited by Mirek; 5th February 2019 at 20:33.
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    Some are actually trying SUV-type rally cars:

    Fiat 500X (FIA R4)

    Toyota CH-R (AP-4)

    but for me rally cars should look like "sport models" not SUV/MPV/VAN
    "quattro best 4wd rallycar ever"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    T16 is a newbie. Really ? With that name referencing the Group B Peugeot 205 ?
    the 208 r5 was also called T16, just like the 2013 pikes peak car.

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    Guys, it is often said that rallying is not a popular sport. But maybe something is changing? Have you noticed that some of the drivers are turning into movie stars? Have you seen the last movies featuring Martins Sesks, Oliver Solberg and Ott Tanak?
    Last edited by Jarek Z; 6th February 2019 at 11:25.
    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    "Champion at Nineteen" starring Martins Sesks:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_pDfS06J8M

    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    "Born to drive" starring Oliver Solberg:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyHofd1KQyI

    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    "Ott Tanak The Movie" starring Ott Tanak!
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=3UPhX57OgR4

    http://www.rallymadness.prv.pl - rally photos and movies!

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    Tšnak`s movie will be out 11.04 and that he is a god for local media, is also quite known...sometimes too much, but on a wider scale...sure, all live stats show that.

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