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    i just took a little nap and woke up with great news.

    Estonian government will fund Rally Estonia with 1 million euros and this means this years Rally Estonia will be WRC candidate/test event.
    "Some famous quote from some famous person"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    i just took a little nap and woke up with great news.

    Estonian government will fund Rally Estonia with 1 million euros and this means this years Rally Estonia will be WRC candidate/test event.
    It wasn´t just a Dream? You kind of dreamt on...?

    If it happens Three WRC rallies within car distance…!!
    "Reis vas pät pat kaar vas kut"
    Tommi Mäkinen, back in the years...

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    With Japan and Kenya set to be added for 2020 and talks of Croatia and Poland again, it will be a tough job for Estonia. Best of luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    It's pre 1979 cup. Before 1973 there weren't even manufacturer's championships.

    Rallying was a different sport back then. It was a competition for the best car. Teams didn't have drivers doing full WRC seasons, instead selecting the best events they could win in and the best specialist drivers for the job. Meanwhile, drivers would participate in other series and/or special events like London-Mexico in addition to doing a few WRC rallies, unlike now where it's rare if a WRC driver does an ERC event for example. No one was concentrating on getting the highest overall points because there was no proper title for it. In that sense, it was a secondary trophy. In fact, although the drivers title started in 1979, it remained in the old way for quite long with usually only 3-4 drivers doing enough WRC events to be considered title contenders. It wasn't until the WRC car era that we started having all teams and all drivers taking part in all events for a proper title fight between 10 drivers.
    Even in wrc car era, it was a good five or so years before there were at least ten drivers doing the full season. Which either devalues the championship titles of the likes of sainz, kankkunen, McRae et al, or makes Alens drivers cup title just as relevant as the world champions that succeeded him.
    Depends if your cup is half empty, or half full.

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    There was a news in December(?) that Ciesla is planning something "Monza Rally show" like in Estonia this summer, with all the manufactures present.
    Tänak at the top, TGR operations, huge popularity of rally and new cars+ neighbours...who knows, how the winds blow...
    Last edited by Tarmop; 31st January 2019 at 17:45.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    It's pre 1979 cup. Before 1973 there weren't even manufacturer's championships.
    Yep, Alen and Munari were fantastic drivers but to consider them as WRC drivers champs would be a mistake. Not only because the FIA International Cup wasn’t properly named as World Championship but mostly because it also included ERC rallys and some special events, besides WRC rallys. Between those special events the most peculiar was the ‘Giro d’Italia’, a mix rally/racing event that allowed rally crews to be replaced by a racing driver on the racing circuit runs!

    To use the official WRC Drivers Championship status as the main standard to choose wall of fame drivers (and codrivers) makes sense, but it’s totally fair to say that many others (some already named here) should also have a place in it. Actually a small wall in FIA headquarters (apparently only visitable by request) seems too short attending Rallysport and WRC fabulous heritage; to build a proper Rally Museum would be the right step to honour all those (drivers, codrivers, manus, organizers, etc) that helped the sport growing through time.

    Yesterday ceremony highlights: https://youtu.be/pjLQBERLWR4
    Rally addict since 1982

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Yep, Alen and Munari were fantastic drivers but to consider them as WRC drivers champs would be a mistake. Not only because the FIA International Cup wasn’t properly named as World Championship but mostly because it also included ERC rallys and some special events, besides WRC rallys. Between those special events the most peculiar was the ‘Giro d’Italia’, a mix rally/racing event that allowed rally crews to be replaced by a racing driver on the racing circuit runs!

    To use the official WRC Drivers Championship status as the main standard to choose wall of fame drivers (and codrivers) makes sense, but it’s totally fair to say that many others (some already named here) should also have a place in it. Actually a small wall in FIA headquarters (apparently only visitable by request) seems too short attending Rallysport and WRC fabulous heritage; to build a proper Rally Museum would be the right step to honour all those (drivers, codrivers, manus, organizers, etc) that helped the sport growing through time.

    Yesterday ceremony highlights: https://youtu.be/pjLQBERLWR4
    It's right that we should not call them world champions but the discussion was about having them in the hall of fame and I think those 2 are not strangers in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    It's right that we should not call them world champions but the discussion was about having them in the hall of fame and I think those 2 are not strangers in there.
    Those 2 and many more, including the sport pioneers, pre wars and post wars rally aces and the heroes of the 60's that bring the sport into the modern age; Rally History begun long before the WRC, that's why the FIA should build a museum instead of a short wall.
    Rally addict since 1982

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    No you be proud to be ignorant thats fine.
    Being a fan doesn't mean you have to have huge knowledge of the history from before a person became a fan.

    With that being said, you two seem to have an on-going beef with each other, why not just put put the respective names on the ignore list and get on with the day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T16 View Post
    Cheers Norm... I didn’t know much about Allen. Googled mr maximum attack last night and saw who it was.
    WRC all time Stage wins:

    1. Loeb, Sebastien FR 915
    2. Alen, Markku FI 822
    3. Sainz, Carlos ES 756
    4. Kankkunen, Juha FI 700
    5. Mikkola, Hannu FI 654
    6. Auriol, Didier FR 554
    7. Gronholm, Marcus FI 542
    = Vatanen, Ari FI 542
    9. Ogier, Sebastien FR 539
    10. Latvala, Jari-Matti FI 517
    11. Blomqvist, Stig SE 486
    12. McRae, Colin GB 477
    13. Solberg, Petter NO 457
    14. Rohrl, Walter DE 439
    15. Biasion, Massimo IT 373
    16. Makinen, Tommi FI 362
    17.Waldegard, Bjorn SE 290
    18. Burns, Richard GB 277
    19. Hirvonen, Mikko FI 260
    20. Salonen, Timo FI 257


    Yes, rallies are different nowadays, but on the other hand juwra.com says "Stage wins before 1978 are not complete". I guess Alen had quite a few stage wins also before 1978 Drivers with a lot of stage wins might have a habit to attack

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