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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregor-y View Post
    It's a mix of action and statistics, though I don't think many people fill out the sheet you used to get with your ticket. A hundred and more years ago it was a big deal to a generation that had the first taste of leisure and literacy in the US.
    I'm not against any sports specially when have been involved in sports whole my life. And I understand how big part statistics can have in American pro sports. Just watched MLB World Series last match on a TV rerun. Not whole a lot action going on...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    In Finland already late 70’s

    If I remember correctly, in late 90’s tobacco advertising was allowed in Monaco, but not in France, so they taped Marlboro’s over after ceremonial start in RMC
    Banning of tabacco advertising was mostly at the end of the 90's I think. In Belgium the ban started at the end of 1998 I think. One of the last rallies where we've seen tobacco advertising must have been Barum Rally 2004 (CZ), where Thiry competed with the Kronos/Bastos-C2 S1600. After that year Bastos stopped advertising, as the brand name could not be displayed anywhere anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    One of the last rallies where we've seen tobacco advertising must have been Barum Rally 2004 (CZ), where Thiry competed with the Kronos/Bastos-C2 S1600.
    Yes, in my understanding they somehow used a grey zone in that time existing law in CZ which allowed continuation of tobacco advertisement based on the pre-2002 deals until the end of 2004. This was valid only for certain types of advertisement while some others were banned already in 1995. In fact tobacco adverts were banned in CZ already in 1991 but the law survived only few months before it was canceled under heavy lobbying...
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    Most European countries had already either completely banned or restricted the tobacco advertising coming into the new millennium. The EU directive for the complete ban came into effect in 2005. Can't remember the exact details (how, and by which ruling), but the use of alternative ways of advertising (like 'East' or 'Tommi' or 'BENSON & HEDGES') has also basically been banned during the past 10 years or so.
    Last edited by Allez Andruet; 26th December 2018 at 18:40.
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    The negativeness from non ecological environmental responsibility is on all sports, actually. Not only motorsports as some people are arguing. Same amount of pollution or even more from big games as football, cricket, ishockey or whatever... I´m thinking of spectators in 100 000´s ...
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    Yes but that's something different because the negative effect is not directly connected with the sporting activity itself and it's not promoted by the activity. The point is that for some people and some potential sponsors motorsport is simply something they refuse in principle because it represents something wrong for them. In fact it's rather impossible to find a bulletproof argument against that because in general they are right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    And secend, remember that rally is now live to watch on screen. So you see a lot more action (no boring waiting) and the sponsors now get far more coverage.
    While I'm not denying that as such, we have to remember that it's basically the same with all sports nowadays. The reach of basically every single sporting event on the planet has grown into astronomical levels, so rally has only narrowed the gap (vs. others) if anything. And in addition to the wider reach, there's also a huge amount of new sports competing for the same sponsor money. And - if that wasn't enough - the global media trend of "big getting bigger" (the recent merger of AT&T and Time Warner serving as an example of that on the most extreme scale, or the merger of Telia and Bonnier on much smaller scale - the point is that it happens on all levels and regions) means that the broadcasting money is more and more centralized towards to the biggest leagues of the most popular sports. It doesn't make life any easier for anyone (whether it's a driver or a manager) trying to secure funding for any sort of rally program.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Is there any other sport where a sponsor follows the world champion to whichever team he's with, like RB have with Ogier ?
    You do have some football players that uses different equipment from the rest of the squad due to sponsors (this is not popular in the teams though).
    Alonso and Santander in F1 was connected.

    But basically RB does this with proper RB-drivers, either continues as a personal sponsor, or goes in as some sort of sponsor for the team as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Yes but that's something different because the negative effect is not directly connected with the sporting activity itself and it's not promoted by the activity. The point is that for some people and some potential sponsors motorsport is simply something they refuse in principle because it represents something wrong for them. In fact it's rather impossible to find a bulletproof argument against that because in general they are right.
    Exactly. It's perception.

    Funnily enough a couple of months ago I came across the document below while randomly looking up big companies that I thought theoretically could be involved in rallying. I came across this document from Telia (no doubt many of you are familiar with it, but it's a big phone services provider across Scandinavia and the Baltic states, prime rally country) where they particularly rule out motor sport sponsorship in their group marketing instructions:

    Requirement 8
    Sponsorships and donations cannot be
    o related to political support (i.e. to political parties, politicians or related institutions)
    o conducted in a way that it can be interpreted as a political payment or bribery
    o related to the process of obtaining or retaining business from the recipient, i.e. it must be
    ensured that the person who has the power to make business decisions, such as
    awarding contracts, licenses or permits, is not involved in the sponsored object
    o provided to individuals
    o provided to organizations, activities or events believed to be discriminating or unethical,
    e.g. related to alcohol, tobacco, drugs, gambling, weapons, pornography
    o provided to activities or events that will have significant negative environmental impact,
    e.g. motor sports and activities which include handing out a large amount of disposables

    o provided to religious or military activities
    From Page 4: https://www.teliacompany.com/globala...-donations.pdf

    Look at the stuff motors sport joins on that list... This is why at least the upper level rallying going electric in some form is not a choice, it's an absolute necessity if the WRC in particular is going to continue to exist in a few years. Hopefully we can get away with just going down the hybrid route and retaining the ICE element, not going full electric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sniper View Post
    Exactly. It's perception.

    Funnily enough a couple of months ago I came across the document below while randomly looking up big companies that I thought theoretically could be involved in rallying. I came across this document from Telia (no doubt many of you are familiar with it, but it's a big phone services provider across Scandinavia and the Baltic states, prime rally country) where they particularly rule out motor sport sponsorship in their group marketing instructions:



    From Page 4: https://www.teliacompany.com/globala...-donations.pdf

    Look at the stuff motors sport joins on that list... This is why at least the upper level rallying going electric in some form is not a choice, it's an absolute necessity if the WRC in particular is going to continue to exist in a few years. Hopefully we can get away with just going down the hybrid route and retaining the ICE element, not going full electric.
    You would be foolish to believe those same exact companies would ever have any significant interest in the WRC even if it was fully electric. Environmental impact is not only about emissions, it is also about the considerable amount of trash and visual pollution created during those events.

    Unfortunately for some companies no matter how you dress it, motorsport will never be a viable marketing tool.
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