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    I bet there will be some things making it more interesting to enter as manufacturer in WRC2. Such as place in service, more tyres, priority on recce, shakedown and starting position, tv coverage, ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Citroens, Hyundais and M-Sport? And anyone else who's joining in? I think WRC2 has been broken and this will fix it a bit. We will have a proper privateer title.

    This year's WRC2 Pro would look ATM like this

    1. Kopecky (125)
    2. Tidemand (111)
    3. Greensmith (70)
    4. Rovanperä (65)
    5. Huttunen (46)
    6. Veiby (45)
    7. Lefebvre (33)

    and the normal WRC2

    1. Pieniazek (56)
    2. Andolfi (50)
    3. Heller (41)
    4. Loubet (30)
    5. Katsuta (29)

    etc.
    That's a valid argument regarding the privateer title (assuming a fair split between works and private entries can be obtained). Not saying I would disagree about the view as such, but my concern is, what integrity the privateer title will have, if it's served for drivers not fighting for top positions in their own class (another assumption that the rumored R5+ won't happen - I'm not supporting that either though)? I.e. (I) the title could easily become somewhat artificial in the eyes of many. I.e. (II) the title wouldn't have the legitimacy that an official FIA/WRC title should have. I.e. (III) would someone truly be interested in a title fight between Pieniazek and Andolfi this year?

    Anyway, whatever the title(s) are the R5 drivers will be fighting for in 2019, let's just hope the class will remain as relevant as it has been to this day. And with the new Polo and the obvious resurrection of Citroen together with the challenged reign of terror of Skoda, there's no reason to expect anything else.
    ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    I hope not too, but then why have they only mentioned current spec cars use in the WRC2 privateer series? Besides, the Fabia tested in Portugal a couple of weeks ago didn’t look/sound as a current spec R5.
    I agree, but if there was some new rules for R5 wouldn’t they have told us by now?

    Back to the main subject, is Skoda domination really putting anyone off WRC2 at the moment, or is barrier mainly cost? Perhaps the privateer championship should only be contested on let’s say six European WRC events? With WRC2 Pro following same scoring rules as the main WRC competition maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I agree, but if there was some new rules for R5 wouldn’t they have told us by now?
    Like they told everything else, the rules, driver lineups, new manufacturer entry. I'm just surprised that calendar get out so early.

    All live feature was introduced just before the start of the 2018 season right. So they could be quiet about new rules too and only manufacturers know about them (if the rumours are correct).

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    Hmm, but then how do you define a manufacturer entry? The Citroen R5s are run by PH Sport and the Hyundai by BRC (I think), even Katsura and Arai are not run by a works team but are they true privateers?
    I would guess teams must enter WRC2 Pro before the start of the season and then enter their drivers. The rest are privateers.

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    I think you read too much into it.

    The same specification R5 car ("as mentioned in the paragraph above concerning new WRC-2 pro") will continue to be used in the FIA WRC 2 Championship.

    Thats my interpretation. Same cars for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    Forget the WRC2 the worst aspect is the 350km maximum of stage mileage. As a cost saving!!!
    There is nothing new about it. Except Monte Carlo all other events +/- fit inside 350 km already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    I hope not too, but then why have they only mentioned current spec cars use in the WRC2 privateer series? Besides, the Fabia tested in Portugal a couple of weeks ago didn’t look/sound as a current spec R5.

    From the FIA PR:
    “Building on the success of the R5 car, a new WRC 2 Pro Championship for Drivers, Co-Drivers and Manufacturers will be created as a platform for registered R5 manufacturers.
    The same specification R5 car will continue to be used in the FIA WRC 2 Championship. This championship will be solely for private entrants, with the intention being to attract more drivers from national and regional championships.”
    There is nothing implicating different rules for WRC2 Pro. You understand it wrong as pointed out by tc10a.

    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    Hmm, but then how do you define a manufacturer entry? The Citroen R5s are run by PH Sport and the Hyundai by BRC (I think), even Katsura and Arai are not run by a works team but are they true privateers?
    All cases I named are completely clear because those were entered under the manufacturer's name. There is probably no other way how to distiguish them but is that even important? The WRC2 Pro will be for sure much more prestigious and it doesn't make much sense for a manufacturer to use a hidden entry to win the privateer title.

    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    The FIA release talks about attracting privateers and national champions, but isn’t this what ERC is for?
    WRC is not ERC. If I want to take part in WRC it means I want to be in WRC. Simple as that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    A distincton between manus and privateers in WRC2 make sense but it could be done in a simple way, through a privateer cup inside WRC2 (a bit like ERC28 on the ERC).
    Such cup would probably didn't attract many competitors. You need to give them something worth fighting for and the WC title is that. Some obscure cup trophy is not.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Still no round in Eastern Europe. Crowds of spectators clearly doesn't make a difference for a sport that is rapidly loosing popularity.

    Great job FIA! Couple more years and there will be no WRC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toku View Post
    great job fia! Couple more years and there will be no wrc.
    lol

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