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    4-5th in Finland with Sordo in Hyundai is extremely optimistic. Paddon barely managed 4th last year and even he needed Lappi to crash out to get it.

    In fact unless the announced upgrade comes and drastically improves the car in Finland I'd say 4th is a dream result there no matter the driver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Paddon barely managed 4th last year and even he needed Lappi to crash out to get it.
    Your revisionist description of history is quite funny.

    "barely managed 4th" = held 4th for most of the rally despite brake problems on saturday and not taking risks because Neuville and Mikkelsen were both well out of contention and the team needed points. Had about 40 seconds margin over Ogier at the end.

    "needed Lappi to crash out to get it" = Lappi did have a big charge late saturday to catch Paddon who was 'taking it easy' (his words), but couldn't sustain that pace without crashing.

    The Hyundai does seem to struggle there, I don't disagree with that. But there is no need to try and twist history to make an argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    But there is no need to try and twist history to make an argument.
    This seems to be his party trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    Your revisionist description of history is quite funny.

    "barely managed 4th" = held 4th for most of the rally despite brake problems on saturday and not taking risks because Neuville and Mikkelsen were both well out of contention and the team needed points. Had about 40 seconds margin over Ogier at the end.

    "needed Lappi to crash out to get it" = Lappi did have a big charge late saturday to catch Paddon who was 'taking it easy' (his words), but couldn't sustain that pace without crashing.

    The Hyundai does seem to struggle there, I don't disagree with that. But there is no need to try and twist history to make an argument.
    That's what he does here, don't even bother to read his long out of reality blabberings anymore

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    Eric Camilli in C3 WRC? Please yes!

    https://www.rallyssimo.it/2019/06/19...itroen-c3-wrc/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira View Post
    Eric Camilli in C3 WRC? Please yes!

    https://www.rallyssimo.it/2019/06/19...itroen-c3-wrc/
    Why? He is nobody. Ostberg who is by the way clearly better driver in any way is sitting in lower class car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    Why? He is nobody. Ostberg who is by the way clearly better driver in any way is sitting in lower class car.
    I'd far rather have a half decent young 'nobody' than literally nobody in a third C3 WRC, which would probably otherwise be the case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by the sniper View Post
    I'd far rather have a half decent young 'nobody' than literally nobody in a third C3 WRC, which would probably otherwise be the case...
    He had his chance. Blew with top WRC machine at M-Sport, had the chance with weaker machine R5 again in M-Sport, blew it away. He had a go with Polo in VW colors and still not acomplish anything. And they are by the way the same age.

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    Too young and unexperienced for WRC indeed at that time, but what did he blow away in WRC2 exactly?

    M-Sport R5 season 2017: 11 starts, 2 wins+ 4 podiums, 2 4th places...an some technical issues an mistakes while driving in podium places.

    Polo outings: A) RACC SS11 stopped from 2. place- gearshift issue ; B) Corsica SS12 Castagniccia 2 (47.18 km) Fire, car burn out
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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    Your revisionist description of history is quite funny.

    "barely managed 4th" = held 4th for most of the rally despite brake problems on saturday and not taking risks because Neuville and Mikkelsen were both well out of contention and the team needed points. Had about 40 seconds margin over Ogier at the end.

    "needed Lappi to crash out to get it" = Lappi did have a big charge late saturday to catch Paddon who was 'taking it easy' (his words), but couldn't sustain that pace without crashing.

    The Hyundai does seem to struggle there, I don't disagree with that. But there is no need to try and twist history to make an argument.
    You are the one going full retard and making an argument for nothing.

    Paddon wouldn't end 4th if Lappi didn't crash from ahead of him, fact. That counts as "barely managed 4th" and "needed Lappi to crash out to get it". 3rd was 1 min ahead so 4th was the best possible result.

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