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    But Citroen wanted champion Ogier and then signed last year's 'best of the rest' Lappi who was unsettled at Toyota from mid-2018. Plus they stuck with just two cars for 2019 and Abu Dhabi pulled out.

    Hard to complete with all that.

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    https://www.autosport.com/wrc/news/1...ctory-wrc-deal

    After Rally Sweden Jari Huttunen said he was hopeful of a future WRC seat.

    Surprise news is he's next to drive in the BRC Pirelli Rally in an i20 R5 for Hyundai Motorsport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    But Citroen wanted champion Ogier and then signed last year's 'best of the rest' Lappi who was unsettled at Toyota from mid-2018. Plus they stuck with just two cars for 2019 and Abu Dhabi pulled out.

    Hard to complete with all that.
    True, but you have to agree on the previus post to. Both had there chanse, more than other pilots in recent years to show what they could.
    Look at Lappi, he came in, was not expected to be right there on top from his team (no pressurre). But still he was battling for podiums right away.

    Guys like Tidemand never had that kind of opportunity yet.

    If I was team principal, id be looking at Rovanpera, Huttunnen, .. more than getting Breen or Paddon back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    But Citroen wanted champion Ogier and then signed last year's 'best of the rest' Lappi who was unsettled at Toyota from mid-2018. Plus they stuck with just two cars for 2019 and Abu Dhabi pulled out.

    Hard to complete with all that.
    There are also three other teams who chose not to sign him. Breen was even connected to all four teams in the rumors of the last silly season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    At least Breen had decent opposition, and winning those drivers with years of experience on those roads was a good result. Can't find Otago results to see if Paddon had even other cars in the same class.
    After all he did win overall just a few years ago in an Appendix K Historic Escort on those same roads.
    Overall. On carbs with H pattern gearbox. Ad rear leaf springs..On those roads which seem to be perfect for powerful 4wd turbocharged cars. And 3 other old 2wd cars were in the top 12..

    It says something about the level of the field....

    Sure I love the old cars but.............
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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    After all he did win overall just a few years ago in an Appendix K Historic Escort on those same roads.
    Overall. On carbs with H pattern gearbox. Ad rear leaf springs..On those roads which seem to be perfect for powerful 4wd turbocharged cars. And 3 other old 2wd cars were in the top 12..

    It says something about the level of the field....

    Sure I love the old cars but.............
    Results for the event, along with who Paddon's opposition were and what they drove, is available on http://chrissport.co.nz. Basically there were a couple of R5s and a whole lot of AP4/AP4+ cars in the field the same as Paddon's AP4+. The difference is that all of NZ's drivers are amateurs who in a year have less seat time than Paddon was getting in any given month while he was a contracted Hyundai driver. That experience (along with talent) means that Paddon has built a car to the same rules as his competitors but, in all likelihood, has used his experience to produce a setup which is faster than any other car in the field. Then he's used his experience and talent to drive the car to the limit all day every day. Watching the in-car footage Paddon is only ever in one of two modes - on the throttle or on the brakes. His competition spend much more time off both pedals letting the car settle into a corner before putting the power back on. The biggest thing that shows the gulf in experience is in the post-event interviews where the 2nd and 3rd placed drivers (Hunt and Turner) were both wide-eyed about how much time their cars were in the air on the roller-coaster final stage and how exhilarating it was, while Paddon treated it as just another day at the office.

    With his effort in the BDA in 2015, Paddon was a little flattered by having the top two drivers that year (Ben Hunt, who I would say is NZ's second fastest active competitor, and Ken Block) both strike problems early in the event. He was over half a minute behind those two after 3 stages and wouldn't have been near them them in a straight fight. To put it in perspective Mads Ostberg drove a similar BDA in this year's event and won the Classics division after a trouble-free drive, yet he finished over 4 minutes behind the same driver (Phil Campbell) who Paddon beat for that 2015 win.

    Probably the best indicator of how good Paddon's performance was this year isn't that he won by over 7 minutes but that he did so by beating every stage record he set in the same car last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    ..On those roads which seem to be perfect for powerful 4wd turbocharged cars.
    I'd say the turbo 4wd cars actually have less advantage at Otago than most rallies.

    Their biggest advantage is the torque and traction giving better acceleration out of slower corners, especially when its slippery or rough.

    The fast, flowing, smooth roads mean there is less of that advantage, and the faster 2wd cars (even the classics) often have more outright power and less weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CahunaKiwi View Post
    To put it in perspective Mads Ostberg drove a similar BDA in this year's event and won the Classics division after a trouble-free drive, yet he finished over 4 minutes behind the same driver (Phil Campbell) who Paddon beat for that 2015 win.
    For further comparison, Ostbergs winning margin in the classic class was under 2 minutes... over a middle aged real estate agent with a schoolgirl codriver.

    I don't say that to run Ostberg down, he's a talented driver who I think is often underrated. Just giving some comparison for the speed of the field and level of competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barreis View Post
    guys had pretty good chance to show how good they are in WRC but blew it. i mean, they were in the works team. weren't they? c'mon
    Paddon had a WRC win (by beating Ogier in a straight fight on a powerstage too), a bunch of podiums and a 4th place championship result. Not sure how that could possibly be considered 'blowing his chance'? He had a nightmare year in 2017, proved in 2018 he had come back from that, but got squeezed out by team politics.

    Breen never achieved the same results to be fair, but 2 podiums and was in contention enough times to prove he has the pace. Probably just needed to show it more consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    There are also three other teams who chose not to sign him. Breen was even connected to all four teams in the rumors of the last silly season.
    Also hard to compete with their signings of ex-world champions, multiple WRC winners, drivers with good sponsors and much more experienced drivers.

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