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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    What's absurd with a car braking in a straight line to a certain speed and accelerating again?

    Here it done on a long straight for safety before a tricky braking into a right hander with some trees on the edge of the road i could see someone having had a nasty crash before.
    https://youtu.be/eXXV10bJcRQ?t=132
    Simply because it’s against Rally most basic principal: driving fast on a road stage. People can understand the use of chicanes and some (very few) actually are challenging driving spots, but there’s nothing challenging on a brake test in a middle of a straight.

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    That example video, with the stop and go and dangerous corner...car starts accelerating ~2.39 and gets to the corner in 2.49-2.50. Now a with the acceleration of a rally car, well demonstrated in this video, a speed of 160-170 km/h is achieved. Can`t say that it makes any difference, maybe even more dangerous, because you have to make up what you loose in your reaction/ not going through the "chicane" perfectly. Putting a haybale in front, lets say 50 m., that would make it safer...maybe. Same with the Monte example.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    So if you have a icy corner in MC where you would normally arrive at 190kph with no space for a chicane before it with a 100m drop, would it not be safer to arrive at 100kph...?
    Maybe some stages that normally wouldn't be used due to safety could be used for a small sacrifice on a part of a stage, safety and nature of the stage is what the FIA said they would consider more now than just average speed.
    Arrive at 190 or 100 if its an icy corner ur still gonna have the same problem ur braking points just gonna be in a different place with the accelleration of these new wrc cars it would need to be 100yards or less before the corner posing a new problem a hard accellerating car trying to brake up
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    So if you have a icy corner in MC where you would normally arrive at 190kph with no space for a chicane before it with a 100m drop, would it not be safer to arrive at 100kph...?
    Maybe some stages that normally wouldn't be used due to safety could be used for a small sacrifice on a part of a stage, safety and nature of the stage is what the FIA said they would consider more now than just average speed.
    Yes! WSDC - world safe driving championship. Nobody would watch it but it would be safe!

    Jesus Christ SN. You are a very experienced guy what comes to rallying so this is shocking that this absurdity is coming from you. Just so against everything what rallying is all about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wia5958 View Post
    Arrive at 190 or 100 if its an icy corner ur still gonna have the same problem ur braking points just gonna be in a different place
    Lets say 50kph then just so you get my point, a guard rail for example can usually can take a bit, look at Lappi's crash in Spain 2017.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cali View Post
    Yes! WSDC - world safe driving championship. Nobody would watch it but it would be safe!

    Jesus Christ SN. You are a very experienced guy what comes to rallying so this is shocking that this absurdity is coming from you. Just so against everything what rallying is all about.
    Relax, with 350km there will still be plenty of corners they can hurt themselves, I'm just talking about the really nasty places maybe once or twice during a whole event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    Relax, with 350km there will still be plenty of corners they can hurt themselves, I'm just talking about the really nasty places maybe once or twice during a whole event.
    The whole Monte and Australia were full of nasty places. Ultimate test of man and machine for the world's finest. This isn't some sissy competition.

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    Yes i see your point but lets say for example the road is icy and start braking but slide through the virtual chicane at high speed faster than the allocated speed for it. But manage to recover control and get around the corner successfully. Will the driver be penalised for going too fast through the virtual chicane?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    Relax, with 350km there will still be plenty of corners they can hurt themselves, I'm just talking about the really nasty places maybe once or twice during a whole event.
    Don’t fool yourself; if virtual chicane BS become available, organizers would immediately try to replace current chicanes for it and even tend to use it in more ‘dangerous’ spots, as it’d be a much easier system to implement. Most likely we would end having several per stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wia5958 View Post
    Yes i see your point but lets say for example the road is icy and start braking but slide through the virtual chicane at high speed faster than the allocated speed for it. But manage to recover control and get around the corner successfully. Will the driver be penalised for going too fast through the virtual chicane?
    Yes. They should brake earlier.

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