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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    I know but it's ridiculous and stupid in the same time because it's based on 44 years long order which has been 29 years gone.
    I didn't want to say what is right or wrong or argue on it. I just noticed that we have different ways to see ourselves in Europe. And that map showed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by focus206 View Post
    Well I'm Italian as well but I don't share that view, I guess because I've always looked at the continent with a geographical eye. Hell, some people think Europe ends at the Russian border instead of the Ural Mountains.
    But yes, many people here see Italy as South or even West Europe, then if you mention Slovenia they say it's East Europe. Then you make them notice that with that view there would be no Central Europe and that East Europe would be two/three times as big as Western Europe.
    I guess the "political (outdated) map" is still influencial, but we have to consider that countries are shaped in many different ways so you cannot always place one in a definite region. For example, I've always thought of Poland as Central-East Europe, because it's quite a "large" country.
    And I consider a good part of Italy as part as the Mittle Europa, also because of its history... if you look at the Mitropa Rally Cup, they have always multiple rounds in Italy, mainly in North-East but also more South in Casentino.
    Well, I also apologise for the OT
    EU.. sure it will be all one country soon anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    I know but it's ridiculous and stupid in the same time because it's based on 44 years long order which has been 29 years gone.
    Easy now... It wasn't meant in a dismissive manner. That timeline of minimum 44 years represents a huge part of the recollection many of our friends and families have of "our time" and especially in countries that have directly or indirectly been affected by the Iron Curtain 29 years won't necessarily wash it away (in spoken language atleast). But ok, back to the topic...
    ku ois neljä pyörää ku vetäis ni ois vähän eri sekunnit kyllä pätkillä, sen mä takaan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    All cases I named are completely clear because those were entered under the manufacturer's name. There is probably no other way how to distiguish them but is that even important? The WRC2 Pro will be for sure much more prestigious and it doesn't make much sense for a manufacturer to use a hidden entry to win the privateer title.
    Let's see what the sporting regulations/calendar will be like for both series. WRC2 Pro could be potentially interesting if it's like WRC but for R5 cars (ie full calendar, all events count, maybe powerstage for R5 cars), and if more than one team enters.

    I still feel it will devalue the WRC2 title and reduce fan interest in that series, but time will tell.

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    https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/octo...3--12-12-.html

    WRC2 Pro and WRC2 Privat will have same spec R5 cars. End of speculation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I still feel it will devalue the WRC2 title and reduce fan interest in that series, but time will tell.
    How can it reduce fan interest?
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    https://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/octo...3--12-12-.html
    WRC2 Pro and WRC2 Privat will have same spec R5 cars.
    Great, that's a relief.
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    JWRC 2019

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    Glad all R5s will be the same spec, but I really hope that private entries can take points in the WRC2 Pro driver championship. If a privateer is the second R5 to finish, they should get 2nd place in 'Pro' as well as the win in 'Am' IMO.

    Not wanting to use the word 'amateur' is understandable but a little tricky in this context!

    Good, clear progression path for drivers though IMO:

    WRCJ wins a drive in WRC2
    WRC2 entrants can impress works WRC2 Pro teams
    WRC2 Pro entrants can impress works WRC teams
    aka Rodger Davies

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