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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    I might (likely) be overreacting as a Latvala fan, but I wouldn't be surprised if Tommi is looking to cause a little turmoil in the team to force his dreams into reality.
    He's just stating a fact mate. Tanak being so much faster than Jari is becoming the norm, but the team were probably surprised how much faster Meeke was. Jari still did a job for the team though and at least brought the car home with a solid points haul.

    In terms of talking publicly, it was Jari who was spouting some amount of gibberish all weekend. He was so up and down and contradicting himself after nearly every stage.

    - Saying he didn't have a good feeling on the first few stages - and we know when Jari doesn't have a good feeling his times plummet.

    - On Saturday morning on the first stage, said he had a really good feeling and was happy with his driving - when in fact he'd been beaten by both his team mates by 24s.

    - Said at the end of Saturday that he's pleased Sundays stages are dry, as he has confidence in the car on the dry as most of his testing was in those conditions.

    - On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).

    - Then after the rally saying he built the car wrong, it was his fault for crashing in testing. And because of that his setup was wrong (even though on Saturday night he claimed he was happy and comfortable with the car in the dry from testing).

    So he needs to just settle down a bit. Still solid points, and a long season ahead. In Sweden things will probably change, Meeke has not much experience there and has never gone well, whereas Jari is the total opposite. And Jari has a better road position compared to Ott, which could even it up between those two.
    If Jari is already having a mental breakdown and doing a you by worrying about Meeke, Kalle, katsuta and Makinen's future plans for the team, he'd be as well just packing in the season now and calling Malcolm .
    Being Toyota's consitent points scorer could be just what Makinen wants from him anyway, as Meeke probably isn't going to be that....

    He had a good second half of last season and was relaxed and calm, it's a shame he can't bring that into a new season. Nothing has changed except Meeke replacing Lappi, and if that alone is making him go back to being unstable then that's not Makinen's fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post

    If Tanak is blinding amazingly fast!!!! and Loeb is just 13 seconds after in 3H23m31.1s of SS....then Loeb is 99.999% as fast and Latvala about 99.998% as fast
    How in the real world is that "speed not there' and "not show some solid performance"?

    We talk in too too much extremes...too often..

    My cheers goes to Loeb...according to the "wisdom' of forums, he's 10 years too old...Not reasonable rest, ultra short tests before, ancient, new car which collective wisdom have all decided is no good.....at his age he's just having fun.. His results say 'we" are are full of hoooey.
    Main problem with this forum is people who cluthers it with a long post without checking their facts, sometimes it seems like they didn't even watch the rally...
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    Can somebody be so kind to explain to me how the hell M-Sport has 14 manufacturer points after this rally?! All of their three drivers retired and only Greensmith scored 6 but the official site claims that they have 14 for 6th and 7th finish which they don't have. Am I missing something or?

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    Only 2 of the 3 manuf. cars are eligible to score points, so a WRC can be 38 in the order for example, but gets points for example 7. place WRC.

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    Basically you take out all cars out from the results except the two best positioned cars of each manufacturer, which were nominated for manufacturer points. Then you make a new result sheet and give points by that.

    This rule alongside power stage is the motivation to use Rally2, thus providing more WRC cars to see for the spectators on the last days of the rally.
    Last edited by AnttiL; 28th January 2019 at 13:19.

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    WRC2 Pro points not counting to Manufacters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andre Oliveira View Post
    WRC2 Pro points not counting to Manufacters
    Yeah. Also worth mentioning that only cars nominated for manufacturers points can score the points. For example in 2017 Mads Řstberg and Teemu Suninen drove Ford Fiesta WRC's as privateers but were never nominated for manufacturer points

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    In terms of talking publicly, it was Jari who was spouting some amount of gibberish all weekend. He was so up and down and contradicting himself after nearly every stage.

    - Saying he didn't have a good feeling on the first few stages - and we know when Jari doesn't have a good feeling his times plummet.

    - On Saturday morning on the first stage, said he had a really good feeling and was happy with his driving - when in fact he'd been beaten by both his team mates by 24s.

    - Said at the end of Saturday that he's pleased Sundays stages are dry, as he has confidence in the car on the dry as most of his testing was in those conditions.

    - On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).

    - Then after the rally saying he built the car wrong, it was his fault for crashing in testing. And because of that his setup was wrong (even though on Saturday night he claimed he was happy and comfortable with the car in the dry from testing).
    JML's mental chaos at its best lol. It's hard work to keep track of each different statement and mood

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    - On Sundays first loop, says his car is too soft and that explains the time loss. Then after the second loop says the car is too hard (or it was too hard first, then too soft).
    After SS14 he said the car is fine. Also, I think he talked about the suspension being too soft, rear diff too stiff. But anyway, Tommi needs to tell Jari-Matti to stop thinking about settings and just drive, just like in Sweden 2017.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    Fair point on the tyres, although I wouldn’t say nothing to lose. He was in the points and a crash on his first Toyota event wouldn’t have looked good.
    no its not fair point, the better tyre conditions of Meeke,they were worned as the other drivers.
    At Sunday he was at ss 13, 4th 11,5 sec from stage winner at 18,4 km
    at ss 14 was again 4th only 2,6 sec from stage winner at 13,8km
    at ss 15 was again 4th 5,7 sec from stage winner at 18,4 km
    you cant say that his tyres were more worned from others,and that makes his time more impressive.

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