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    I feel like by the time someone gets into a wrc car, he should know and have mastered all those things.

    Brake gentle, turn in late and slow in and exit quick. That seems like something one should learn driving an rc4 car.

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    Quote Originally Posted by denkimi View Post
    I feel like by the time someone gets into a wrc car, he should know and have mastered all those things.

    Brake gentle, turn in late and slow in and exit quick. That seems like something one should learn driving an rc4 car.
    That's something kids know playing Dirt Games

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    It's relatively easier on circuit or on PC but not in real rallying. The road changes during the race and it's somewhat different for every car and always different than in the recce. The ideal line often changes too with the conditions and with the mess those coming in front of you did there. The most important is that you don't do hundreds of laps on the same road.

    Also rally cars can't be set as circuit cars because they have to work in much wider range of conditions. That is especially true for the previous generation of WRC cars or for R5 and S2000. Such cars without central differential can never be set in ideal way.

    IMHO it's very difficult to get close to the ideal way of driving in actual rallying conditions on the real stage.
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    I would assume that Suninen's comments were based on comparison datalogs from drivers who have recently driven the M-Sport Fiesta WRC. Surely all of them understand the concepts discussed here quite well. However, the datalogs still show differences in the execution of those concepts between the drivers and that may be what separates excellent drivers from champions. Every excellent driver who wants to be a champion definitely should be interested in knowing where the difference lies.

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    Kalle was also interviewed by Kristian Sohlberg and he also mentioned the pedalwork being the superior thing in Ogier's driving technique. He can brake more lightly which saves tyres especially on hot rallies, and he doesn't have to go on and off the throttle and brake. Sohlberg also used Latvala as an example, being always very heavy on the brakes and throttle, which is why he always lost the tyres so quickly.

    Kalle also says he's usually quick to learn and adapt his driving style based on the data. For example in Arctic Rally tests he was told that Seb and Elfyn brake lighter than he, so the next time he tested he braked similarly.
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    WRC drivers' styles and techniques

    Kristian Sohlberg analyzes Esapekka Lappi's style based on the latest Yaris test video. He notices that Lappi brakes the car while going into the corner (trailbraking), while Ogier, Tänak, Evans, Rovanperä typically brake before the corner, then roll through the corner and apply throttle as early as possible. He also mentions the story from Lappi's Citroen years how it took half a year for him to find front diff ramp that worked for his style. Sohlberg wondered if Lappi would find a suitable diff from Toyota now that the team has drivers who have a different style.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Kristian Sohlberg analyzes Esapekka Lappi's style based on the latest Yaris test video. He notices that Lappi brakes the car while going into the corner (tailbraking)
    It is called trail-braking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Hokkaido View Post
    It is called trail-braking.
    Of course, small typo there

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    One historical thing that has been brought up many times in Tomi Tuominen's excellent podcast series, is that the Group A Mitsubishi Lancer around 1998-2001 was difficult to drive for most drivers other than Tommi Mäkinen. Mäkinen himself reportedly said "the car needs to be taken to its limits" and left-foot braking didn't work with it. So basically very aggressive movements on the wheel and Scandinavian flicks were needed, quite different to modern driving styles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    One historical thing that has been brought up many times in Tomi Tuominen's excellent podcast series, is that the Group A Mitsubishi Lancer around 1998-2001 was difficult to drive for most drivers other than Tommi Mäkinen. Mäkinen himself reportedly said "the car needs to be taken to its limits" and left-foot braking didn't work with it. So basically very aggressive movements on the wheel and Scandinavian flicks were needed, quite different to modern driving styles.
    Was there not something about the diff set up that made them tricky? Others will remember better than me I’m sure…

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