Page 3 of 7 FirstFirst 12345 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 30 of 66
  1. #21
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sleezattle, Washington, USA
    Posts
    3,342
    Like
    737
    Liked 558 Times in 295 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by PLuto View Post
    But thats one of the reasons why they started with power stage - allow score points (give motivation) also for drivers who retired before...

    Seems that may be the critical thing that creates some problems..

    Traditionally, you crash and can't continue and go over MPL, you're out. No hit the Reset button.

    Now, since you can that means you can be in PS and score some points over some guys who drove the entire route who didn't stuff it so hard they could not continue..

    It seems to me to be a violation of logic that somebody who scored zero on one or several SSs should be allowed to beat (score points) more than somebody who scored anything on ALL the SSs..
    But I look at it from perspective of long term competitor not somebody who came to the sport playing video games--which is probably the decisive difference..
    Last edited by janvanvurpa; 22nd February 2018 at 05:27.
    John Vanlandingham
    Sleezattle WA, USA
    Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

  2. Likes: AndyRAC (21st February 2018),sonnybobiche (22nd February 2018)
  3. #22
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2016
    Location
    France
    Posts
    151
    Like
    147
    Liked 64 Times in 36 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    Back to 3-2-1 IMO.
    Yes!
    Or delete it or launch a "Power Stage Championship" with some manufacturers bonus points.

  4. Likes: Sulland (21st February 2018)
  5. #23
    Senior Member AL14's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    2,724
    Like
    2,085
    Liked 2,264 Times in 944 Posts
    3-2-1 was the best option. You had the same results (some driver pushing to get points in an otherwise cruising stage) but with less impact on rankings.
    IMO 5 points are too many. Not nice that the 3rd driver can get more point than the guy one step ahead in the podium. Not to mention rally2 crews getting more points than the car in 8th position

  6. Likes: A FONDO (20th February 2018),seb_sh (20th February 2018)
  7. #24
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    1,341
    Like
    5,431
    Liked 833 Times in 405 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    Seems that may be the critical thing that creates some problems..

    Traditionally, you crash and can't continue and go over MPL, you're out. No hit the Reset button.

    Now, since you can that means you can be in PS and score some points over some guys who drove the entire route who didn't stuff it so hard they could not continue..

    It seems to me to be a violation of logic that somebody who scored zero on one or several SSs should be allowed to beat 9score points) more than somebody who scored anything on ALL the SSs..
    But I look at it from perspective of long term competitor not somebody who came to the sport playing video games--which is probably the decisive difference..
    Maybe retirees from crashes cannot score PS points but those affected by mechanical issues can.

    Sent from my Pixel using Tapatalk

  8. #25
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Location
    Sleezattle, Washington, USA
    Posts
    3,342
    Like
    737
    Liked 558 Times in 295 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Sub_Skoda View Post
    Yes!
    Or delete it or launch a "Power Stage Championship" with some manufacturers bonus points.
    Smart!
    Thinking about that it is the factory teams mainly who can do a complete rebuild of a serious crashed car..

    So a driver who crashes the car completely to hell, he lose any point possibility.

    But the manufacturer team which can put it back together, well OK, they win some Manufacturer points.

    why not?
    John Vanlandingham
    Sleezattle WA, USA
    Vive le Prole-le-ralliat

  9. #26
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    May 2005
    Posts
    5,798
    Like
    337
    Liked 3,786 Times in 1,977 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    Maybe there can't be a rule preventing this that wouldn't exclude the bottom half of point scorers from PS points but it does raise an issue.
    As was mentioned before.

    All timepenalties for late or early TCs on Sunday will count both towards total time but also towards Power Stage time.

  10. Likes: KiwiWRCfan (21st February 2018),pantealex (20th February 2018),steve.mandzij (20th February 2018)
  11. #27
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2011
    Posts
    1,918
    Like
    1
    Liked 1,115 Times in 596 Posts
    Rally2 was invented to make sure spectators saw at least a few rally cars on sunday. But without power stage, rally2 loses most of its purpose. If there are no points to be won, nobody will restart, and spectators might not come back on sunday.

    if we want to ban rally2, then we need to allow flying service after each stage again.
    Last edited by denkimi; 20th February 2018 at 23:17.

  12. Likes: KiwiWRCfan (21st February 2018)
  13. #28
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2017
    Location
    pussy
    Posts
    552
    Like
    0
    Liked 134 Times in 93 Posts
    This 5 point system is no other that complaining crying baby's idea who is always on worst conditions everywhere.

  14. #29
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2017
    Posts
    1,561
    Like
    5
    Liked 945 Times in 513 Posts
    It is quite stupid to award 5 points for one relatively short stage, whereas other gets less for a 8. place finish driving throughout the weekend. Same for a podium finish, after 2. place the next can score more points than the previous finisher. Not really logical. 3-2-1 would be a more fair bonus.
    Last edited by Tarmop; 20th February 2018 at 21:52.

  15. Likes: A FONDO (20th February 2018),AL14 (20th February 2018),cali (21st February 2018),Sulland (21st February 2018)
  16. #30
    Objective observer stefanvv's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2012
    Location
    Wonderlamd
    Posts
    6,715
    Like
    1,558
    Liked 1,170 Times in 791 Posts
    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    It is quite stupid to award 5 points for one relatively short stage, whereas other gets less for a 8. place finish driving throughout the weekend. Same for a podium finish, after 2. place the next can score more points than the previous finisher. Not really logical. 3-2-1 would be a more fair bonus.
    The same applies to the day point scoring system, and quite few people believe it is genuinely good idea. Why not bring back the old rally, with marathon rallies and stages, 2-3 stages at night for a day, without rally2, the fastest driver always open the roads? - Because we can't, rally is not the same like it was 30-40 years before, when almost everything depended on drivers' capabilities, and not so much about the cars, until Group B days anyway. Oh, and there were no historic cars running between WRC runs, what historic cars?!? Wishful thinking is one thing, reality - another. Current PS point scoring system is fair as the cars are now more equal package altogether with the crew. The sport has changed.... Like it or not.
    "With that car, your brain can actually never keep up"
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4IRMYuE1hI

  17. Likes: able1 (27th October 2019),AnttiL (20th February 2018),sonnybobiche (22nd February 2018)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •