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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    I don't know if Neuville has much chance of PS points with his pace this weekend anyway, but I'm pretty sure the team will have told Paddon not to risk the manufacturer points for a few extra drivers points in the PS.

    Bit of a different situation for them this weekend with Paddon their only competitive driver and the others a long way behind though.
    Neuville was 6th on first running and Paddon was 3th. So if things stays like this it can be 1point for Neuvill if Paddon didn't attack.

    Cuz Suninen and Evans will not attack for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KKS View Post
    Did Hyundai will hold Paddon do not attack PS and allow Neuville grab some PS points? Don't think so.
    Wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Nothing for Hayden to gain and holding position/manufacturers points will be a major consideration.

    I think what's happened this weekend is really interesting and really a lesson in team rallying from M-Sport. Elfyn has done nothing this year to warrant him not being handed team orders. Suninen's time will come. It all makes complete sense.

    Also people quoting what Hyundai did or didn't do back on the second and third rounds of the championship is a bit misguided isn't it. We're into the business end of the championship now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Its a team sport and a no-brainer to swap team-mate positions, especially here as it has no effect on their total Manu's points and helps the higher placed driver in the Driver's Ch'ship.

    And people are forgetting that Ogier suffered a much worse road position on day one than his team-mates, hence falling behind them. Given a level playing field he would probably be ahead already.
    You don't get it. It's not that they let him past in overall standings, every team would do that at this point.

    It's the ridiculousnes of letting Evans drop for 5th instead of 6th on the road and now get Suninen penalty before PS so Ogier drives 7th instead of 8th. What's the real gain? 0.1s?

    That's completely new level of "doing everything for lead driver". Certainly setting new levels of how far you could go.

    We should start placing bets now on next moves. Let's just hope it does not get into DTM where teams send second drivers to crash into their competitors for title.
    Last edited by mknight; 29th July 2018 at 10:35.

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    Never had a criticial word from Eddie about Ogier in the last 2 years so no surprise here.

    Ford has every right to swap positions of drivers and do whatever they want as long as it is not against rules.

    I think its also fair to criticize them in these cases for non fair play. In the end it wont change anything.

    The sad part about it is, just like with Ogier shenanigans in Sweden PS. Once they do it so blatantly, Hyundai and Toyoto wont have any other choice but to do the same when they are in a similar position to have an equal chance.

    But hey, as long as it is in the rules. I will still continue being critical of non sportsmanship actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    "yump" ?
    'jump' with a Finnish accent

    It has become a fairly common NZ pace note term for a small jump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    It's the ridiculousnes of letting Evans drop for 5th instead of 6th on the road and now get Suninen penalty before PS so Ogier drives 7th instead of 8th. What's the real gain? 0.1s?
    Suninen has dropped behind Ogier on the leaderboard now prior to the stage so the gain is 2 points. Wasn't done solely for road position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by krissucool View Post
    Never had a criticial word from Eddie about Ogier in the last 2 years so no surprise here.

    Ford has every right to swap positions of drivers and do whatever they want as long as it is not against rules.

    I think its also fair to criticize them in these cases for non fair play. In the end it wont change anything.

    The sad part about it is, just like with Ogier shenanigans in Sweden PS. Once they do it so blatantly, Hyundai and Toyoto wont have any other choice but to do the same when they are in a similar position to have an equal chance.

    But hey, as long as it is in the rules. I will still continue being critical of non sportsmanship actions.
    We understood well You don't respect M-Sport/Ogier. Should at least respect the name of the manufacturer for which Your favorite driver competes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Simmi View Post
    Suninen has dropped behind Ogier on the leaderboard now prior to the stage so the gain is 2 points. Wasn't done solely for road position.
    It was done before PS solely for the road position.

    For points they could do that at the end. Btw. now if Ogier for some reason drops 0.8s in PS and gets behind they have to get him penalized again

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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    We understood well You don't respect M-Sport/Ogier. Should at least respect the name of the manufacturer for which Your favorite driver competes.
    I have respect for both, I just dont respect these actions. I respect Ott as well, but if he does something that I consider to be unsportsmanlike I will criticize him as well.

    What is your problem? You can clearly see it was a typo, why point that out? Wtf dude.

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