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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    ???

    What's up with this forum?
    Sorry, mistaken you with AnttiK.

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    Guys, remember, this sport is existing only due to spectators followers etc, the show is dedicated to spectators and drivers need to adapt the rules. Ofcourse, rules must be sensible. Without followers there would not be any WRC as we see today.

    And this thing that Ogier made in Sweden was really-really bad. And it would be unfair to change it before the end of season. Mexican penalty, however, is well justified and good indication. They are showing that if there is a questionable situation and if team asks if it is OK tho to so and official answer is "no, it is not OK!" then there is a penalty when you still do like this.

    I can see that it was a small mistake by team that cost them a lot. Look the decision clearly. They (team) showed photo evidence that it was in different place to original location and organizers showed that, "no", it was exactly like it should have been. Mistake is simple. Someone from the team took the picture when obstacles were in different position due to someone touching them and send it to team. Ogier remembered the new location that was not official and he was in trouble when he discovered that everything was still as it should be.
    And I like that this obstacle was not full of water. This is common sense. If you have a wall, you have to go around it. If you make a mistake, you hit the wall and hurt yourself. But if this wall is made of paper, you escape without injury. simple as that.

    And reffering to the weather, these were the hottest days in 2018 during Rally Mexico, and I could not find such a high temperatures from my history book before. So, indeed, it was difficult for the cars
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I'm disappointed this Ogier penalty has also overshadowed Tanak's late PS entry to gain an advantage when he was already a Rally2 runner. No way should this be allowed.

    (In fact I dont think Rally2 driver's should be eligible for the extra PS points at all.)
    If Ogier were to retire with a mechanical failure I'm sure you'd reconsider your rally2 stance. Also where is your anger at the advantage the Frenchman gained in Sweden?

    I disagree that rally2 runners shouldn't be eligible for points because like it was mentioned a little higher up there'd be no point in continuing if it weren't for extra points. Also, it's not like a runner who's not in rally2 will finish below a returning driver in the overall; the only thing that could benefit rally2 most of the time is the PS.

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    Some thoughts on the drivers' performances

    I knew Loeb could still do something, but I was still blown away by his pace that could have been enough for a rally win. Also, I was expecting Ogier to be good in these conditions. Also, it was easy to expect Meeke to be fast but prone for errors. One of those spins or his half-roll could have ended worse with less luck.

    Evans was disappointing again, although his shakedown pace was promising, especially on the first runs. I'm also disappointed in Suninen's performance, he didn't really get even good stage times down (only 4th in Alfaro where Meeke rolled and many were in tyre save mode). Same goes for Lappi. Also disappointing for the Toyotas to overheat again, although Neuville's fuel pressure problem on a super special was reminiscent of last year's failures.

    Mikkelsen was also a bit disappointing, but he was lucky to survive his small off. Sordo did also a good rally, although I knew he could do well in this rally especially with that starting position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluuford View Post
    Mexican penalty, however, is well justified and good indication. They are showing that if there is a questionable situation and if team asks if it is OK tho to so and official answer is "no, it is not OK!" then there is a penalty when you still do like this.
    Extremely well summarised by Bluuford

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij

    I disagree that rally2 runners shouldn't be eligible for points because like it was mentioned a little higher up there'd be no point in continuing if it weren't for extra points. Also, it's not like a runner who's not in rally2 will finish below a returning driver in the overall; the only thing that could benefit rally2 most of the time is the PS.
    about rally 2 runners at power stage,we have to mention that due to missed stages,they have much more tyres at good condition to attack.
    example ....if top 3 crews have small gaps at day 2 and 3,they cant cruise,but push till the last stage.Have almost all of their tyres used hard.A rally 2 crew can cruise 2 days,and have almost new tyres at power stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pucky54 View Post
    Enjoy!
    wow,they are installed, at totally different place among these drivers.
    are the photos from same stage run,or from 1st and 2nd pass?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Some thoughts on the drivers' performances

    I knew Loeb could still do something, but I was still blown away by his pace that could have been enough for a rally win. Also, I was expecting Ogier to be good in these conditions. Also, it was easy to expect Meeke to be fast but prone for errors. One of those spins or his half-roll could have ended worse with less luck.

    Evans was disappointing again, although his shakedown pace was promising, especially on the first runs. I'm also disappointed in Suninen's performance, he didn't really get even good stage times down (only 4th in Alfaro where Meeke rolled and many were in tyre save mode). Same goes for Lappi. Also disappointing for the Toyotas to overheat again, although Neuville's fuel pressure problem on a super special was reminiscent of last year's failures.

    Mikkelsen was also a bit disappointing, but he was lucky to survive his small off. Sordo did also a good rally, although I knew he could do well in this rally especially with that starting position.
    For once I can't agree with you on multiple points.

    Loeb was surprising yes and hats off to him, but I won't say he had rally winning performance. Saturday morning he was clearly slower than Ogier and about same speed as Meeke. And it was at this point under pressure that he got puncture. Friday he was behind Sordo with same starting position.

    This was first time since Portugal last year that Ogier actually had dominating rally winning performance on gravel. (and in Portugal Tanak seemed as fast or faster).
    Meeke imo showed again what he lacks for WDC, consistency under pressure. 3 or 4? spins, at least 3 times very wide (2 times on the Saturday SS with his carpark) and completely unnecessary off on sunday causing him to also loose PS chances.

    Sordo typical good rally for him, fast and all but not enough to charge for win.

    Evans actually had quite good performance over the few stages he ran. Way too few for any judgment though.

    Sunninen and Lappi were pretty much invisible whole rally yes. Mikkelsen was very disappointing, only performance on "expected" level was Friday afternoon. Don't agree on the severity of the off though, it was one wide corner with some small panel dmg. Discounting Meeke both Neuville and Ogier had at least 2 such moments.

    Hard to judge Toyota's much with the issues, but would say Latvala was again consistently behind Tanak in speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluuford View Post
    And this thing that Ogier made in Sweden was really-really bad. And it would be unfair to change it before the end of season.
    Can't agree with that. If something is broken then fix it before it get's out of control.

    In either case now 3 of the 4 teams misused this. So even more reason to stop it.

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