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    Quote Originally Posted by dimviii View Post
    so if Pontus will entry as wrc 2 at Germany will be something against skoda will?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    The question is if he is entered to WRC2 or not.
    Would be weird marketing strategy from VW to put the car further in running order and out of TV broadcasts...

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    I guess they never expected Kopecky to do so well this year, and that championship would be wrapped up by now, leaving newly crowned WRC2 Champion free to drive the Polo in Spain.

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    Skoda can't complain if VW go ahead and enter Pontus in WRC2. They've been trying to manipulate what driver of theirs wins which championship since 2011, when they desperately tried (and failed) to get Kopecky to win the IRC title.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS View Post
    I guess they never expected Kopecky to do so well this year, and that championship would be wrapped up by now, leaving newly crowned WRC2 Champion free to drive the Polo in Spain.
    something like that they must be thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    They've been trying to manipulate what driver of theirs wins which championship since 2011, when they desperately tried (and failed) to get Kopecky to win the IRC title.
    You're talking rubbish. Mikkelsen and Kopecký were both doing the whole championship and they both did all events. Kopecký did better in the season than Mikkelsen but Mikkelsen won by 1,5 points thanks to the rules which gave higher coefficient to the last two gravel events and due to the fact that the worst three events didn't count. This rule meant that Mikkelsen got away with 3 crashes without any point loss while Kopecký lost 27 points which simply didn't count.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Would be weird marketing strategy from VW to put the car further in running order and out of TV broadcasts...
    Well, Ogier did drive his VW Fabia season outside WRC2 (better testing opportunies), so they have used that strategy before.
    Also Henning was running outside WRC2 in Turkey and got plenty of PR-time, bad starting place only first day, after that speed order.

    My prediction is still VW in WRC2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    Well, Ogier did drive his VW Fabia season outside WRC2 (better testing opportunies), so they have used that strategy before.
    Also Henning was running outside WRC2 in Turkey and got plenty of PR-time, bad starting place only first day, after that speed order.

    My prediction is still VW in WRC2.
    Henning in Turkey and Kalle in Monte are probably the only times a non-WRC2 driver has gotten so good coverage. Kalle was about the only competitive R5 left and Henning was up to top ten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    You're talking rubbish. Mikkelsen and Kopecký were both doing the whole championship and they both did all events. Kopecký did better in the season than Mikkelsen but Mikkelsen won by 1,5 points thanks to the rules which gave higher coefficient to the last two gravel events and due to the fact that the worst three events didn't count. This rule meant that Mikkelsen got away with 3 crashes without any point loss while Kopecký lost 27 points which simply didn't count.
    Nah you seem to be a bit confused.

    Mikkelsen was a Skoda UK driver, a team funded by the British importer and run by an Italian team. Not a part of the factory team, which was Jan and Juho. Mikkelsen was a huge huge outside bet for the championship up to the last round.

    I'm talking about Skoda being so desperate for their own Czech driver to win the series, that they restricted Juho when he could've blitzed the series and taken back to back IRC titles. But they pissed about and neither driver won the title. Juho was by far the fastest driver on most of the rounds he entered, dominating Monte till the snow came and the bad tyre choice, winning Canaries, Yalta and Azores and taking 3rd in Barum, before having his entry pulled for Sanremo at the last minute - despite being on the entry list.

    They gave Jan the whole season to get the job done and clinch the title, but Hanninen was needed as insurance policy for them as Kopecky wasn't convincing. Then Juho got drafted back in for the last two rounds after missing Sanremo. But he initilally struggled in the wet conditions in Scotland compared to 2010 and made a mistake in Cyprus, while Mikkelsen dominated both events and took the title. Leaving Skoda motorsport without one of their two contracted drivers winning the series. Kopecky finished runner up for the third time in the series. They wanted him to win that title, when giving Juho one or two extra events probably would've meant back to back titles for him. But they wanted Jan to win IRC and for Juho to have his SWRC crown. It was obvious at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    Mikkelsen was a Skoda UK driver, a team funded by the British importer and run by an Italian team. Not a part of the factory team, which was Jan and Juho. Mikkelsen was a huge huge outside bet for the championship up to the last round.
    Yes and no. Škoda UK paid but Mikkelsen had works car and works service. You can check Yourself that Andreas and Jan actually used the same chassis at some occasions through the 2011 season (No. 48)

    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    I'm talking about Skoda being so desperate for their own Czech driver to win the series, that they restricted Juho when he could've blitzed the series and taken back to back IRC titles. But they pissed about and neither driver won the title. Juho was by far the fastest driver on most of the rounds he entered, dominating Monte till the snow came and the bad tyre choice, winning Canaries, Yalta and Azores and taking 3rd in Barum, before having his entry pulled for Sanremo at the last minute - despite being on the entry list.
    That shows that You don't know what Jan's position in Škoda has always been. He has never ever been a priority driver in the team. In fact it was the opposite. Yes, Juho was not given the whole IRC 2011 but that was not done to help Jan win but to take as many titles as possible. They did the very same thing with other drivers in all following seasons. That's why Jan, Sepp or even Esapekka drove APRC. In fact for them the best outcome was Andreas winning due to his way bigger marketing value.

    Quote Originally Posted by er88 View Post
    They gave Jan the whole season to get the job done and clinch the title, but Hanninen was needed as insurance policy for them as Kopecky wasn't convincing. Then Juho got drafted back in for the last two rounds after missing Sanremo. But he initilally struggled in the wet conditions in Scotland compared to 2010 and made a mistake in Cyprus, while Mikkelsen dominated both events and took the title. Leaving Skoda motorsport without one of their two contracted drivers winning the series. Kopecky finished runner up for the third time in the series. They wanted him to win that title, when giving Juho one or two extra events probably would've meant back to back titles for him. But they wanted Jan to win IRC and for Juho to have his SWRC crown. It was obvious at the time.
    If You think that Škoda UK was a competitor to Škoda Motorsport You are wrong. It was just another works car painted in Union Jack. The Italians really didn't have 6 different and mostly brand new bodyshells for Andreas for two seasons. In fact it was all works cars and most of them were brand new cars built for Andreas, used by him for 3-4 events and sold to privateers. The only time when Andreas actually used Škoda Italia car was for small or show events like Goodwood Festival. Also for Škoda it had higher marketing value to have Andreas as winner due to the British and Norwegian market. There was near no marketing value in Jan (sadly).

    If they were pushing Jan for victories they would never threat him as they did in WRC2. 2018 season is the first ever when they let him drive a near whole season (actually only 6 of 7 possible events so still not maximum possible). In previous seasons they gave him only 3-4 events each time even when he was winning one after another in 2015. The reason was likely still the same - Jan's victory has no marketing value because there is nothing to gain from WRC2 on Czech market. Winning Czech events is enough for that (and that's why they keep sending Jan to win Czech titles again and again despite I know very well that he doesn't like that).
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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