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    Sweden was exceptionally bad for the first cars on the road - more snow fell, one stage wasnt totally ploughed and then the Historics ruined the second runs.

    Tanak also suffered and complained, not just Ogier.

    If people think its fair that a world champion should be down in 10th through no fault of his own, then I dont.

    I'm a purist and think the best driver should usually win and not be handicapped to help the others compete.

    Having a QS seems the fairest system.

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    You can't do anything about the weather, 1st run of Röjden was fine until 30min before when it started snowing heavily.
    I just think Ogier didn't handle the conditions very well, when the 2nd car on the road can win the first stage on Friday 12 sec ahead of Ogier and 6sec in front of the 2nd fastest it couldn't have been that bad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Sweden was exceptionally bad for the first cars on the road - more snow fell, one stage wasnt totally ploughed and then the Historics ruined the second runs.

    Tanak also suffered and complained, not just Ogier.

    If people think its fair that a world champion should be down in 10th through no fault of his own, then I dont.

    I'm a purist and think the best driver should usually win and not be handicapped to help the others compete.

    Having a QS seems the fairest system.
    Some people rather sadistically like to see Ogier struggle and would like him to continously having a hard time and are therefore reacting to his complaints by calling him a wuss. If it hit their favourite driver they'd be reacting very differently. You know who you are.

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    I think in the case of Ogier vs. Rally Sweden it was more of the fact he had given up even before the rally started. Like SubaruNorway says the conditions wasn´t pending much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SubaruNorway View Post
    You can't do anything about the weather, 1st run of Röjden was fine until 30min before when it started snowing heavily.
    I just think Ogier didn't handle the conditions very well, when the 2nd car on the road can win the first stage on Friday 12 sec ahead of Ogier and 6sec in front of the 2nd fastest it couldn't have been that bad...
    But after that it all went downhill for SS1 & 2 winner also. When the day ended, last years podium was last (Evans and Solberg excluded).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    I'm a purist and think the best driver should usually win and not be handicapped to help the others compete.
    If you're really a purist then the leader should be first on the road, anything else is artificial tampering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GravelBen View Post
    If you're really a purist then the leader should be first on the road, anything else is artificial tampering.
    Qualifying would be fairer.

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    I definitely favour things remaining as they are. I especially dislike these knee-jerk reactions just because we got an exceptionally snowy Sweden for a change. Hardly grounds to rip up the rulebook. It's been said many times before, but in a world of DRS, success ballast the like, the WRC has a very nice natural handicap in the road order. It's also backed up by tradition. And I like the variation that weather and different surfaces bring.

    That said I can see both sides. From a promoter standpoint I could definitely see the attraction in returning to qualifying - especially with Shakedown now being broadcast over their channels. It's much more of a spectacle. The WRC is in a new age of competitiveness too so it's a good time to bring it back. The only problem is if Ogier wins another couple of titles people will call for it to be binned off again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I think in the case of Ogier vs. Rally Sweden it was more of the fact he had given up even before the rally started. Like SubaruNorway says the conditions wasn´t pending much.
    I had the same inpression. He just lost way too much time compared to those right behind him to blame it only on being first on the road.

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    The only way we can get equal road conditions is when we move everything into virtual world. I personally strongly dislike qualification in rallying as it really doesn't make it any more equal. Just a small select group benefit and everyone else will suffer anyway. So I really hope that this stupid knee jerk reaction fades away fast before anyone does something stupid.
    Never stop dreaming because one day it might happen.

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