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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Actually not. Current rules are fair as well - simply because they are given and fixed well ahead so everyone knows how they work. They make it tougher for the leading crew for sure but for every leading crew. It doesn't matter which one it is at the given moment. They have to cope with the same conditions - and that is fair.
    Fair to who? For the 15% of the current wrc drivers who can actually lead the championship for the first 2-3 rallies, or fair to the rest of them 85% so they can have a chance to win a rally or 2? Just the drivers know how the rules are ahead doesn't make them fair. Or You suggest who doesn't like to rules just to quit? May be its bit extreme, but what lies under the "fair" concept? Everybody are under the same rules, yes sure, but that doesn't make them fair for the ones who are actually are already on top of the board. It is uneven handicap for them.

    Current WRC cars rules already are enough equalizing all drivers, why we need to stick with these ancient running order rules? The sport needs refreshing, the 1st part - cars is already done, the other must come accordingly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    The fact that the first crew in general ranking, whoever they might be, is getting the short end of the stick is where the problem lies.
    In rallying everytime someone has to get the short end off the stick. Everytime. Do You really believe that it's better idea to make the life even worse for those who struggle even without it?

    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    Fair to who? For the 15% of the current wrc drivers who can actually lead the championship for the first 2-3 rallies, or fair to the rest of them 85% so they can have a chance to win a rally or 2? Just the drivers know how the rules are ahead doesn't make them fair. Or You suggest who doesn't like to rules just to quit? May be its bit extreme, but what lies under the "fair" concept? Everybody are under the same rules, yes sure, but that doesn't make them fair for the ones who are actually are already on top of the board. It is uneven handicap for them.
    Someone has to take the handicap. There is no way how to avoid that. Do You believe that those who struggle even without that shall bear the handicap to have zero chance instead of at least some chance? Tell me why is that better and why it's more fair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Someone has to take the handicap. There is no way how to avoid that. Do You believe that those who struggle even without that shall bear the handicap to have zero chance instead of at least some chance? Tell me why is that better and why it's more fair.
    You know I'm big supporter of the underdogs. But is it fair to them to take some advantage, because the faster ones are handicapped? How is that in their favor, and how is that in favor of the spectators? Just because they like variety in the winner board. Then they don't understand the sport and just watching the show?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stefanvv View Post
    You know I'm big supporter of the underdogs. But is it fair to them to take some advantage, because the faster ones are handicapped? How is that in their favor, and how is that in favor of the spectators? Just because they like variety in the winner board. Then they don't understand the sport and just watching the show?!?
    A qeuestion is not an answer. Why is it more fair to chose the slow guys everytime instead of the fast guys sometimes (current rules don't penalize them in every round)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    A qeuestion is not an answer.
    It was a rhetoric. You know we just keep asking ourselves the same stupid question, and the answer is in the question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    In rallying everytime someone has to get the short end off the stick. Everytime. Do You really believe that it's better idea to make the life even worse for those who struggle even without it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    A qeuestion is not an answer. Why is it more fair to chose the slow guys everytime instead of the fast guys sometimes (current rules don't penalize them in every round)?
    It's hard to make sense of your arguments here. Rallying isn't a kindergarten sports day where everybody should get a prize just for attending.
    You want to be at the top? Work for it!
    Since the cars are so closely matched and the top drivers are as close as ever, the old rules are just taking away from the excitement and the fight.

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    True. And they get payed for that a lot more than we make in our jobs. So it's right that it should be hard. It's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy View Post
    Since the cars are so closely matched and the top drivers are as close as ever, the old rules are just taking away from the excitement and the fight.
    It's the rules You fight against which makes it look like that.
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    When the same driver has been winning titles for the past five years with all the methods you people propose you notice there's no need for change. The best win regardless.

    Also, QS, while fair, made for very dull 2013-2015(?) seasons for anyone not a VW fan. 2016 was a total witchunt against Ogier and he still won the title comfortably. Just because he had a bad rally doesn't mean the rules are wrong. You wouldn't bring back the rule that eliminates the lowest score, would you?

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