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    new rumour grow up about Subaru could be return to WRC ► http://bit.ly/2qybY7U

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbmarcus21 View Post
    new rumour grow up about Subaru could be return to WRC ► http://bit.ly/2qybY7U
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    In Levorg:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_FB_engine


    However I don't really see any model that would fit and also don't get why they should even be rumored to enter (except for that monte statement). I think people put too much into that statement, prbly it's something like VW running a few events in WRC2Pro...

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    Yeah the Levorg has a 1.6 Turbo. Always thought it was weird they didn't have a Fiesta size, but guess they didn't bother since they "borrowed" the Suzuki Ignis/Swift and Daihatsu Sirion for the Subaru Justy.

    https://www.motor1.com/news/274702/s...t-hatch-rumor/
    Akio Toyoda apparently pushing Subaru to join
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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    Stock engines are completely irrelevant. WRC cars can and have specifically designed engine. It's beeen alllowed since 2011.

    The issue is which base car would they use? I'm not familiar with Asian portfolio to tell the truth but here in CZ they don't sell anything suitable.
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    Subaru makes a 1.6 but not an inline engine. Plus there's the weight distribution issue that always gets mentioned (though not by Audi fans). And why would Toyota want a competitor when they own a portion of Subaru? I don't think outside of some domestic cars under 1000 CCs they sell anything smaller in size than - or even the same size as - a Golf.

    And it looks like all those kei models are from branches of Toyota and not made by Subaru itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    THere was in article in Race Engine Tech or Rally Race Tech that those rules of thumb don't apply to a boxer engine. They tried it and sacrificed crankshaft stiffness or block strength which is why they stuck to the 75mm stroke.

    I wouldn't think the timing doesn't seem great alongside the engine recall.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregor-y View Post
    Subaru makes a 1.6 but not an inline engine. Plus there's the weight distribution issue that always gets mentioned (though not by Audi fans). And why would Toyota want a competitor when they own a portion of Subaru?
    The weight distribution is probably the biggest issue that would prevent them being competitive (and they won't enter if they don't expect to be competitive).

    A transverse engine can take advantage of the rules to be moved from its production positionfor better weight distribution and c.o.m in a way that can't be done with the longitudinal boxer layout. IIRC (hopefully someone with more knowledge can confirm or correct me) WRC rules say the crankshaft has to stay in the same position but the rest of the engine can be rotated around that - so a transverse inline engine can be more or less lying down behind the the crank in a place that would never be practical for a production car, but if you rotate a boxer engine around its crank you just end up with a vertical boxer instead of horizontal.

    So unless they revise those rules to be fairer for different engine layouts (or Subaru make a new small hatch which isn't a boxer engine) I don't think we'll see Subaru come back.

    ETA: Thinking about it some more, if they are developing a new small hatch as rumoured then it might not be a boxer anyway due to packaging for that size of car. Still not counting any chickens at this stage though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    They should never have changed the design of the 1995 Impreza. Everything subsequent to it was......less than the original.

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    John would say that about a Volvo 240, though.

    And the older I get the more I think he may be right.

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