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    Quote Originally Posted by Gregor-y View Post
    Subaru makes a 1.6 but not an inline engine. Plus there's the weight distribution issue that always gets mentioned (though not by Audi fans). And why would Toyota want a competitor when they own a portion of Subaru?
    The weight distribution is probably the biggest issue that would prevent them being competitive (and they won't enter if they don't expect to be competitive).

    A transverse engine can take advantage of the rules to be moved from its production positionfor better weight distribution and c.o.m in a way that can't be done with the longitudinal boxer layout. IIRC (hopefully someone with more knowledge can confirm or correct me) WRC rules say the crankshaft has to stay in the same position but the rest of the engine can be rotated around that - so a transverse inline engine can be more or less lying down behind the the crank in a place that would never be practical for a production car, but if you rotate a boxer engine around its crank you just end up with a vertical boxer instead of horizontal.

    So unless they revise those rules to be fairer for different engine layouts (or Subaru make a new small hatch which isn't a boxer engine) I don't think we'll see Subaru come back.

    ETA: Thinking about it some more, if they are developing a new small hatch as rumoured then it might not be a boxer anyway due to packaging for that size of car. Still not counting any chickens at this stage though...

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    They should never have changed the design of the 1995 Impreza. Everything subsequent to it was......less than the original.

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    John would say that about a Volvo 240, though.

    And the older I get the more I think he may be right.

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    I saw an article somewhere about a new Subaru small hatchback for the European market coming.... I can't recall where tho.

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    Boxer engine sound is so essential part of Subaru brand that losing boxer engine from rally Subaru, would be then something else than Subaru. Otherwise rally should suit perfectly to brand that is outdoorsy and has been 4wd pioneers in car markets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doubled1978 View Post
    I saw an article somewhere about a new Subaru small hatchback for the European market coming.... I can't recall where tho.
    https://rallysportmag.com/japanese-p...66Ym5e9uhfhw_M

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    Quote Originally Posted by janvanvurpa View Post
    With what car and with what motor? Their cars are huge bloated pigs, their motor is either the ancient big bore (92mm) EJ20 or the newer 2 liter FJ20 with 86mm bore and 86mm stroke.
    Do they even make a 1600?
    Yo do not need to have an engine that is 1.6 all of the WRC cars are billet blocks and the engine is not from a standard unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Japé View Post
    Boxer engine sound is so essential part of Subaru brand that losing boxer engine from rally Subaru, would be then something else than Subaru.
    I agree on the engine as a defining design feature but the sound came from the exhaust manifold arrangement. New Subarus sound like anything else these days. I'm surprised there's not more demand for an exhaust that will recreate the sound; maybe the enthusiast market isn't what it was fifteen years ago.

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    Well, they are big N/A familycars too...mostly. They sound like a boxer, but they`re civilized.
    Last edited by Tarmop; 7th November 2018 at 16:39.

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    Would love to see Subaru back. The brand has completely lost its identity - at least in the UK.
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