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    Quote Originally Posted by Allez Andruet View Post
    You don't have to be fast on your first WRC outing, or on your tenth, if you have the budget to "gather experience" for a couple of seasons. I wouldn't be so sure that's the case with Tidemand, so he better show something and do it soon. Yes, the competition is extremely tight right now in the main class, but still, for a driver with Pontus' reputation these first three rallies must be classified as disappointments. At the moment Tidemand reminds me of Tapio Laukkanen - Finn who could match anyone in F2, but just couldn't come to grips with WRC machinery.
    Three rallies three different surfaces ... but true, some glimses was expected...
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Not true. Was only for 2017 (and still Østberg ran a private car, only entered always by M-Sport)
    But with money.
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    His best stage result is SSS1 from Turkey where he finished 3rd. On SS5 in Sweden he finished 4th. Apart from those two it've been always 8th or lower.

    That SS5 from Sweden is his best speed compared to the stage winner, 0,40s/km slower. In Sweden he did 11 stages with speed less than 1s/km slower than the stage winner, but only that one stage with less than 0,5s/km difference.

    Apart from SSS1 in Turkey, he was never less than 1s/km behind the stage winner in Turkey or Monte Carlo, but further - 1,27s/km being the closest difference in RMC and 1,08s/km in Turkey.

    He is driving to build he's career further. He turns 29 years old in December. How much time he has to build that experience and condifence in a World Rally Car? The steps he have taken or at least planned to take this season, should've happened 3-4 years ago already.
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    Greensmith left a better impression than Tidemand even though he is so much younger and less experienced. That says it all. As for now, with so many drivers on the market, I don't see a place for him in WRC car. Only if he brings a big budget in M-sport but that's not to be expected

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartusvuori View Post

    He is driving to build he's career further. He turns 29 years old in December. How much time he has to build that experience and condifence in a World Rally Car? The steps he have taken or at least planned to take this season, should've happened 3-4 years ago already.
    Thanks Teemu. Right words. Couldn´t have said (well tried to since january) better myself.

    If the plan is/was good could be discussed. (Maybe that was why you said "wrong" on TW...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Yeah. You are good at statistics. Leaving out everything except times...
    What do you mean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    I think you mix up different drivers situations.

    Some drivers have full backup finacially and just have to concentrate on driving without thinking of consequences. Some have funding problems and gets random drives and still expected to be close to the top.
    I hope then that he has a healthy dialogue with his sponsors and a longer term commitment from them. No WRC team is going to sign him based on his performances this year so he needs that funding to continue into next year, maybe sharing third Fiesta with Greensmith again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    What do you mean?
    My recent arguments about PT has been about more than just numbers...

    answering with only statistics isn´t enough. Not to me.
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    Choosing Monte and Turkey seems odd, as they're very difficult events to show pace. For Tidemand, Sweden was a logical choice. Monte was considered a preparation event for that. Why not do Arctic Rally instead? Or did his sponsors want the media attention from Monte instead? Or M-Sport couldn't deliver service there at the same time?

    Then, why not Portugal and Sardegna? Tidemand has had a good pace in those rallies and generally drivers starting from the back can achieve good stage times. They are similar to each other and with only a two week gap. Early enough in the season to remind the team bosses. Did Greensmith ruin Tidemand's plans by reserving the client car from Portugal?

    EDIT: Also, I understand that his budget and deal with M-Sport may have meant that he must take it easy in order not to crash the car. But at the same time you can wonder why he's paying for a drive at all if he's not allowed to show any pace?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hartusvuori View Post
    His best stage result is SSS1 from Turkey where he finished 3rd. On SS5 in Sweden he finished 4th. Apart from those two it've been always 8th or lower.

    That SS5 from Sweden is his best speed compared to the stage winner, 0,40s/km slower. In Sweden he did 11 stages with speed less than 1s/km slower than the stage winner, but only that one stage with less than 0,5s/km difference.

    Apart from SSS1 in Turkey, he was never less than 1s/km behind the stage winner in Turkey or Monte Carlo, but further - 1,27s/km being the closest difference in RMC and 1,08s/km in Turkey.

    He is driving to build he's career further. He turns 29 years old in December. How much time he has to build that experience and condifence in a World Rally Car? The steps he have taken or at least planned to take this season, should've happened 3-4 years ago already.
    In Monte he was once faster than Suninen.
    In Sweden he had throttle issues on Friday morning. In the afternoon he was a couple of times faster than other works WRC drivers, usually because they had issues (Neuville missing aero, Meeke stalling, Evans spinning). After that he was constantly the slowest works WRC. On Saturday he was also twice slower than Grönholm but once faster than Meeke.

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