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    Quote Originally Posted by Munkvy View Post
    Who both brought budget for proper programmes...
    Wait...Lappi was a factory driver for Toyota. Suninen had one testing day before each event, and his Finland test was compromised because Ogier crashed the test car, so he had to use the same car as he was using for the rally.

    I still think driving the new cars must be a bigger jump from R5's because the difference in speed is greater (R5's are almost as fast as old WRC's in certain conditions) and the proper usage of aero needs experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I still think driving the new cars must be a bigger jump from R5's because the difference in speed is greater (R5's are almost as fast as old WRC's in certain conditions) and the proper usage of aero needs experience.
    Yep and central diff use can also be a challenge but all that makes even harder to get how Greensmith, a less experienced driver previously beaten by Tidemand, seems to be more at ease on the WRC car than him.
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    Greensmith was also most of the time the slowest WRC but managed to beat a couple of drivers in Portugal here and there, Suninen once in Finland, Lappi a few times in Deutschland in addition to a great 5th place on SS7. But then again, Greensmith had an off in all three rallies (not even counting the Fafe crash where the steering broke, he already crashed on Saturday)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Power View Post
    Yep and central diff use can also be a challenge but all that makes even harder to get how Greensmith, a less experienced driver previously beaten by Tidemand, seems to be more at ease on the WRC car than him.
    Haven´t got a clue, but wasn´t Greensmith testing a whole lot at MSport for several occasions? To compare with Tidemands almost none before MC and RS and one day before Turkey.
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    10 years ago the jump was from fwd cars to wrc cars. 15 years ago, the jump was even from fwd cars to wrc cars with 3 active differentials and even active suspension.

    The current 4x4 turbo r5 cars must be probably the easiest cars in a very long time to step up to wrc cars.

    It doesn't matter which car you give the real talented drivers, they will learn very quickly to go fast with even a garbage bin on 3 wheels.

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    There is no rule saying that a driver A, who is normally faster than driver B in a car of class X, will stay faster if both move in class Y. It has happened in the past that some seemingly great talents didn't manage to step up or vice versa. Even experienced champions were sometimes unable to adapt to new machinery.
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    Hanninen. Maybe mentioned in this thread earlier.

    However did fast times on certain stages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rallyper View Post
    Hanninen. Maybe mentioned in this thread earlier.

    However did fast times on certain stages.
    Not the best example for two reasons.

    The first is that as a matter of fact Juho was reasonably faster with the WRC than Tidemand or Greensmith compared to his competitors in WRC cars. But that brings the second point - he was much more experienced (especially compared to Greensmith because Tidemand is hardly a rookie). Together with his age it meant that results were expected from him immediately. Nobody signs a +/-35 years old guy to give him two years to learn...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirek View Post
    Not the best example for two reasons.

    The first is that as a matter of fact Juho was reasonably faster with the WRC than Tidemand or Greensmith compared to his competitors in WRC cars. But that brings the second point - he was much more experienced (especially compared to Greensmith because Tidemand is hardly a rookie). Together with his age it meant that results were expected from him immediately. Nobody signs a +/-35 years old guy to give him two years to learn...
    It all comes down in the end, how much time you have spent behind the wheel. Tests, rallies... Hundred of km´s or almost zero. Tidemand belongs to the latter ones.

    That, I can tell you is fundamental for being fast at once. Let´s see what Wales will bring. I have not so big hopes, unfortenately.
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    I agree with You.
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