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    I think it's fair comment to criticise Citroen. It's plain to see their failings for any rally fan. Even those with close ties to Citroen . . Ehm. . Mrs Ogier. . . Openly criticised Citroen.

    It's also a fair comment you make about us Meeke fans. Yes he hasn't lived up to his speed and potential, but I think it's also fair to say he has suffered more than his fair share of bad luck, pressure and uncertainty around his future. Citroen have had a big part, well PSA in his career it's true, but they have both directly, and now indirectly played a big part in taking away his seat, deservedly or not.
    I also think it's ok to stick up for your favourite driver. It's not like having kids where you aren't supposed to have a favourite. And it will always disappoint fans when 'their' driver gets the boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm75 View Post
    I think it's fair comment to criticise Citroen. It's plain to see their failings for any rally fan. Even those with close ties to Citroen . . Ehm. . Mrs Ogier. . . Openly criticised Citroen.
    With their history you could argue Citroen could be cut some slack. The C3 was a problem car from the start but they did try to sort it out.

    And also their WRC budget was what Citroen Racing was given. They had to work within that no matter what the team may have wanted to spend.

    I believe in any normal year without all the driver change shenanigans, that they would've seen it through and been pretty competitive in 2020.
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    As with Subaru people involved with the original success retired, quit or moved on and the funding dwindled. Yet the teams persisted for a few painful years.

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    Toyota will be in Tokyo Auto Salon during the Birmingham Autosport season kick-off, so it's only Hyundai and M-Sport there.

    https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makisen-...suuden-valiin/

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    wow, the news just keep getting worse and worse (citroen leaving, chile cancelled)

    seems quite pointless then and sorry for the fans
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    Quote Originally Posted by EstWRC View Post
    wow, the news just keep getting worse and worse (citroen leaving, chile cancelled)
    To me it's the other way around. This is the least worse thing out of the three and Citroen leaving was the worst. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    To me it's the other way around. This is the least worse thing out of the three and Citroen leaving was the worst. :P
    sorry my wording was bad.

    i mean that the bad news just keep coming.

    of course this is the least worrying one but still sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Toyota will be in Tokyo Auto Salon during the Birmingham Autosport season kick-off, so it's only Hyundai and M-Sport there.

    https://www.rallit.fi/tommi-makisen-... /> n-valiin/
    Surely this is a WRC Launch and therefore MUST be attended by all WRC teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by go mads View Post
    Surely this is a WRC Launch and therefore MUST be attended by all WRC teams?
    No.

    Since Citroen leaved, FIA can´t give any penalties if Team doesn´t want send all their people to Autosport-show.

    TGR will probaly send Yaris for display.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pantealex View Post
    No.

    Since Citroen leaved, FIA can´t give any penalties if Team doesn´t want send all their people to Autosport-show.

    TGR will probaly send Yaris for display.
    Dont see what citroen leaving has to do with it?
    It's the official wrc launch for 2020, therefore all 3 manufacturer's should be there, much like other pr activities such as autograph sessions, if you dont turn up, you get penalties

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