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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    The truth from Meeke ... they were nowhere on pace:
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/febru...8--12-12-.html

    This is why I said stage-winners Evans or Neuville deserved to finish above him.
    Meeke also had a stage win and the finish time matters, not the stage wins.

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    It`s RMC, everyone who finishes it ahead, deserves his place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    The truth from Meeke ... they were nowhere on pace:
    http://www.wrc.com/en/wrc/news/febru...8--12-12-.html

    This is why I said stage-winners Evans or Neuville deserved to finish above him.
    Meeke took an ill-performing car to a very strong points finish. Last year he was ripping wheels off or rolling cars into balls, and justifying it due to the fact the car was bad. So I'd say this is some nice progress. Regarding people deserving anything in rallying... let's just say we agree to disagree.
    My rally photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/94998505@N03/albums

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    Meeke lost a bunch of time on the first day in a similar off as Ogier, who lost only a little time. It's also a bit of luck in the game as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fabian Gaukler View Post
    Check out this video with many crashes from Rally Monte Carlo including a completely slippery passage at Col de Turini
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPKsFOUIPnA
    This variant of going over Col de Turini (or this one reversed) is the most spectacular one. Pity there is less and less alowed space for spectators every year.
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    So driver's lose time with a puncture, or go off where there is no spectators to help, and lose big time.

    But a guy and a car that they beat hands-down for speed, just gets round and finishes ahead ... and that's just fine.

    I get it. There is no justice in rallying and you are all happy about that.

    Even Meeke is as good as saying he was lucky to get the place and points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    So driver's lose time with a puncture, or go off where there is no spectators to help, and lose big time.

    But a guy and a car that they beat hands-down for speed, just gets round and finishes ahead ... and that's just fine.
    Yes, that's absolutely fine. Nobody forced the first guy to go off where there were no spectators to help.
    Last edited by Mirek; 2nd February 2018 at 17:18.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    So driver's lose time with a puncture, or go off where there is no spectators to help, and lose big time.

    But a guy and a car that they beat hands-down for speed, just gets round and finishes ahead ... and that's just fine.

    I get it. There is no justice in rallying and you are all happy about that.

    Even Meeke is as good as saying he was lucky to get the place and points.
    The thing about punctures is valid, because that is mostly pure luck. Now, if a driver finishes ahead of another solely because he went off once and the other went off twice, he deserves to finish ahead regardless of speed.

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    Most of the time punctures are not a result of bad luck but a mistake.
    Stupid is as stupid does. Forrest Gump

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    Quote Originally Posted by steve.mandzij View Post
    The thing about punctures is valid, because that is mostly pure luck. Now, if a driver finishes ahead of another solely because he went off once and the other went off twice, he deserves to finish ahead regardless of speed.

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    Deserves? Sport isn't fair. If it was, it would be predictable and we wouldn't be watching.
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