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    Kalle Rovanpera may be the next best thing but when did actually progressing through and WINNING lower international classes before progressing to WRC end as a career path? In the words of the little green guy - 'Much to learn has he still!'
    Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mintexmemory View Post
    Kalle Rovanpera may be the next best thing but when did actually progressing through and WINNING lower international classes before progressing to WRC end as a career path? In the words of the little green guy - 'Much to learn has he still!'
    Well he's not driving a WRC car in 2018 for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AL14 View Post
    You have a point and that could be how things went but my question is still valid. If Hyundai is there to win the WRC, why they didn't pick the driver who would have assured that?
    The situation of other drivers, their lineup opinions, even the organization of budget (which I don't think is lower than other teams), all is secondary in my opinion.

    Ogier would have accepted soon, they have a strong car, a strong organization, full backing from the company and they are based in Germany, which is good for him and his family.
    Ogier wasn't exactly dominant this year, especially not in the mid-season with 5th place on Sardinia, 3rd place gifted in Poland after many retirements and 0 points from Finland.. going into Germany with same points as Neuville. Also comparison with Tanak is quite close.

    So hiring Ogier doesn't look like 100% guaranteed title and not hiring him like 100% no title. Looks like Toyota is not exactly going all-in for Ogier either.

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    Maybe it would do everyone a favour if Ogier retired. It would make all of the Teams' situation a whole lot simpler...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddie WRC View Post
    Maybe it would do everyone a favour if Ogier retired. It would make all of the Teams' situation a whole lot simpler...
    Agree, isn't five enough? No doubting the man's talent, but let's give more youngsters seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Ogier wasn't exactly dominant this year, especially not in the mid-season with 5th place on Sardinia, 3rd place gifted in Poland after many retirements and 0 points from Finland.. going into Germany with same points as Neuville. Also comparison with Tanak is quite close.

    So hiring Ogier doesn't look like 100% guaranteed title and not hiring him like 100% no title. Looks like Toyota is not exactly going all-in for Ogier either.
    Here I don't agree. Yes Ogier wasn't as dominant as VW years this year but Hyundai would have had way more chances (real chances) to win the title with him. I think we all agree on this.

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    He should stay for a few years. I think the competition and cars this year a lot better than the past. VW was dominating, but we have drivers and cars that are all capable of winning.

    As mknight said a few posts above, Ogier was not exactly dominating this year. He did what a champ has to do, but Tanak, Nueville or Latvala could have also been winning WDC at this stage. Latvala with reliability issues, Tanak with some misfortunes and Nueville with a few silly mistakes that led to two 1st place finished gone with the wind. Next year isn't going to be a walk in the park for the champ.

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    Come on guys it never is a walk in the park but he is on another level. You can talk about unluck and misfortunes of others as much as you want but he is simply the best and everytime someone tried to catch him he ended up with less the 3 wheels on his car, tears in his eyes and dozens of points behind in the overall ranking.
    Having him in your team is very close to have a garantee to win the WDC nowadays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racerx1979 View Post
    .... but Tanak, Nueville or Latvala could have also been winning WDC at this stage.
    Almost the tin man, the scarecrow and the lion - Heart, head and nerve (i.e. Resolve) missing in some degree from all the challengers. Can't see that's going to suddenly be different (apart from Tanak appearing to have got his brain working this year). The car doesn't matter, Ogier is the superior talent at the moment and even if he doesn't dominate over 14 rallies he will always accumulate more points than anyone else!
    Kris Meeke got fired -PSG so terrified they quit!

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    Think you are a bit blinded by the recent 2 good rallies. It certainly wasn't looking anywhere that good after weak performances in Sardinia and Poland and off in Finland. If he does not have competitive and reliable car steady finishes won't help him. The margins are really small.

    Don't get me wrong, I agree that the combination of reliability and speed is significantly better than others, but it's not unbeatable. Not with all (or at least 3) cars competitive.

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