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    i didnt see him blame Neuville or what do you mean? at the end of the rally i would say he said rather good about Neuville sayin that "we see that Thierry can show pace/drive with the car"

    About Sordo yeah i agree, he is the second driver that can show good times with it on tarmac. Maybe Sordo and Neuville have similar driving styles and set-up? i remember in Sardegna last year when Neuville kinda struggled one morning and later he said he took Sordos set-up for the afternoon and liked it.


    i would say there are some positives also to take from Croatia for Ott, saturday was the longest loop with 121kms and he lost 13.6 secs to Ogier with the whole day. On Friday he lost 15 secs alone with SS3. what i mean is that it seems they at least took some kind right direction on saturday.
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    Hyundai WRT

    On Friday Ott was on wrong tyres. To me it seemed it didn’t improve much during the weekend. He wasn’t bad per se, but failed to fight the top three and was occasionally even slower than Fourmaux.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWorm View Post
    Also strange that many fail to recognise that Sordo has bren rather quick with the car on asphalt. Think Tänak will come good with the car but that the blame is on Neuville is getting pretty tiresome.
    I think Sordo has been similarly 95% quick as Tänak here. Sordo has also a relatively high number of offs on tarmac since 2017

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigWorm View Post
    Also strange that many fail to recognise that Sordo has bren rather quick with the car on asphalt. Think Tänak will come good with the car but that the blame is on Neuville is getting pretty tiresome.
    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    I think Sordo has been similarly 95% quick as Tänak here. Sordo has also a relatively high number of offs on tarmac since 2017
    Sordo used to be a tarmac specialist. Now since start of 2017 he has 2!!! podiums on tarmac and only one on 100% tarmac rally (second is from Catalunya). He often is somewhere around in speed and crashes yes.


    I don't really see other people or myself blaming Neuville for making the car like that. Just saying that Neuville is the only one getting consistently good tarmac results/speed. What can be questioned is whether Hyundai does not prioritize to change the car cause Neuville is fast with it as it is. That isn't really Neuville's fault though.

    I do not have high hopes how Tanak will suddenly make the car work to fight for wins on tarmac. Loeb didn't even with massive testing and lots of extra (non-WRC) rallies. Mikkelsen didn't (without massive testing and extra rallies).
    Tanak gets extra rallies and massive testing and then comes from Croatia saying he doesn't really know what to do (article).

    We have basically been having this same discussion for 3 years now! After 3 years I don't believe in sudden miracles.


    One thing that is sure is that Tanak correctly identifies this as the likely main problem for his title chances this year, with 3 tarmac-only rallies coming up.

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    Tänak today to estonian media at press event

    "I'm just the driver and I have the vision of how this car should drive. How it is technically possible, it is unfortunately not in my hands "

    Will smaller rallies, which are not included in the World Cup calendar, can help to make the car more comfortable for you? "First of all, all the information we learnt during the rally has to be worked through. From there, we can draw conclusions and see if we can make it better to tune this car for me or not. If we don't have much to do, then the extra kilometers will not give anything, but if we have something to do, I think we will drive small rallies, "said Tänak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    What can be questioned is whether Hyundai does not prioritize to change the car cause Neuville is fast with it as it is.
    It could be some major things in the car geometry or anything needing a big homologation update. Also remember how Citroen used to be a fast tarmac car in 2017, then they made the car better on gravel and suddenly in 2019 it wasn't a fast tarmac car anymore!

    Anyway, this was my fear when Tänak joined Hyundai, he won't be able to fight for the title anymore especially on a season with this many tarmac rallies. We didn't yet get to see it last year when the calendar was so exceptional, but now there's four full tarmac rallies planned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Sordo used to be a tarmac specialist. Now since start of 2017 he has 2!!! podiums on tarmac and only one on 100% tarmac rally (second is from Catalunya). He often is somewhere around in speed and crashes yes.
    In Tour de Corse 2017 he was third. On three stages he was second, the rest were 4-6th positions.
    In Deutschland 2017 he went off on the fourth stage. He won a couple of stages (including Panzerplatte and some of the fast countryside stages), on the rest he was mostly outside top 5. Road position had its effect, restarting on Saturday and Sunday put him behind other WRC cars but on the power stage he started earlier.
    In Catalunya 2017 it was all top 5 stage times and another power stage win, except that he broke the steering (in the same place as Mikkelsen).
    In Tour de Corse 2018 he was struggling with the setup and understeer, only one 5th position in stage times, the rest slower.
    In Deutschland 2018 he was off the pace on all stages except Panzerplatte, where he won both the long runs and was 1st and 2nd on the short ones. Also complaining about understeer and bad feeling with the car. Crash on Sunday.
    In Catalunya 2019 it was raining and Sordo seemed to be off the pace, losing even the rally lead. On Sunday he was third fastest after the Sebs.

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    In Croatia I carefully watched Tanak's car live in a variety of corners. I know some suspension design basics and stuff but I'm definitely no expert. I have a question for the Czech automotive engineer guy, do you think changing the roll center of a WRC car involves homologation issues?

    What I noticed from watching, again I'm no expert, but I think given the slightest change of grip, dirty road, off-camber, or etc, the Hyundai immediately understeers. I feel like the roll centers, or better yet the roll axis is majorly f-ed up on this car.
    Unless there's maximum grip from the tires, the car fails to get the initial grip caused by chassis roll, looks way too geometrically stiff and just skids. I guess there's someone more competent than me around here to discuss this theory.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    https://dirtfish.com/rally/wrc/tanak...ai-on-asphalt/

    Strange that they fail to mention that he is the 3rd tarmac WRC winner with similar issues in the car.
    Maybe this also explains Breen's lack of pace in Croatia. A driver who loves tarmac...

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    Hyundai WRT

    Not on a similar level though, Breen was never super quick in the C3 WRC which was a fast tarmac car in 2017 and 2018 when he drove it. But Breen’s Croatia comments confirm the same problem, he’s not comfortable.

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