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    Quote Originally Posted by AnttiL View Post
    Also won the power stage on his second event in SardegnA. Suninen won the fifth ever stage he did in a WRC car, in Poland
    Yes and thats why we can say that Lappi and Suninen are super fast guys. But being in the game needs soooooo much more than being fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Loeb has brought points for himself in every rally he started. Manu points are something different.

    For drivers that don't drive whole season team bosses likely want these things:
    - manu points (measurable)
    - taking points from driver title rivals (measurable)
    - putting pressure on rivals (hard to measure, Loeb certainly does put psychic pressure on Ogier, but when he ends behind him in Chile it didn't have an effect in the end)
    - publicity (also hard to measure, but Loeb wins that one for sure, from other drivers Meeke does get much more publicity than anyone else because of WRC crew)

    Measurable things:

    Manu points:
    Sordo, took points in 2 out of 3 starts (66%), 6.67 points/rally
    Loeb, took points in 2 out of 4 starts (50%), 6.75 points/rally
    Mikkelsen, points in 3 out of 5 starts (60%), 7.2 points/rally

    So at Hyundai Mikkelsen>Loeb>Sordo
    (Sordo retirement due to technical issue in Mexico wasn't his fault though so it's a bit unfair to him)

    Comparison with some of the other mentioned drivers is like this:
    Latvala 3.33 points/rally
    Lappi 6.33 but only out of 2 cars
    Meeke 6.33
    Suninen 6.0 out of 2 cars).

    Mikkelsen>Loeb>Sordo > Meeke/Lappi > Suninen > Latvala
    (the top 3 + Evans are ahead of everyone)

    Taking points from other driver title challengers:
    Sordo, 1 (Mexico Tanak PS ) + 2 (Cors place Tanak), + 3 (Arg Tanak place and PS) = 6 total, 2 /rally
    Loeb 0 total, 0 per rally
    Mikkelsen 5 total (Argentina Ogier place and Tanak place), 1/rally

    Sordo>Mikkelsen>Loeb

    Other drivers (counting 0 when they take points off own n1 at the same time), didn't do negative points when they actually help rivals (Meeke helped Ogier for 1 more point in Mexico). There might be an error of +- 1-2 points here somewhere:

    Latvala 0
    Lappi 4, 0.67 /rally
    Meeke 0
    Suninen (hard to count since there is no n1 but could say 5 (Cor (Neuville, Tanak) + Arg (Tanak)) => 0.83/rally)

    Sordo>Mikkelsen> (Suninen)> Lappi>Loeb/Latvala/Meeke

    These are the facts. Certainly these are by far not the only things that matter when picking drivers, but it's interesting that the driver that quite a few seem to think should be fired and never hired by anyone again is ahead of 6 other drivers in manu points and 5 in the "taking points" part.
    boooooooooooorring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mknight View Post
    Neuville's DNF also helped Loeb's statistics, so did Meeke and Latvala (you noticed Loeb didn't actually overtake anyone of them, they just all crashed). Tanak's 2 drops helped Sordo's statistics etc etc. Can go like that forever. The points that are on the table are facts.

    If it's tiresome nobody forces you to reply.
    LoeB was the fastest guy on Saturday and quite close to Ogier`s second. Without Neuville`s incident he would have been right there. Just maybe not allowed to overtake Neuville. You are again, bending the facts to suit you?/Mikkelsen better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tarmop View Post
    LoeB was the fastest guy on Saturday and quite close to Ogier`s second. Without Neuville`s incident he would have been right there. Just maybe not allowed to overtake Neuville. You are again, bending the facts to suit you?/Mikkelsen better.
    Yep Loeb was fastest on Saturday by a good amount. If he was comfortable with the car on Friday he would have been fighting with Tanak ...

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    Yep just need to fire mikkelsen and hire gronholm now as retired former world champs seem to do a better job maybe could pull carlos out 2 and they could split the car for the remainder of the season 😁😂

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    statistics can be useful for analysis, discussions can be insightful, driver choices can be debatable, personal opinions are just that.

    one significant fact remains---Loeb replaces Mikkelsen for Portugal

    And quite frankly, i agree with this decision. Adamo seems willing to try things, which i think takes some fortitude given the situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TRW View Post
    Today's cars and rallyes need so much more know-how than ever (...)
    Maybe it's good, it differences the men from the boys. But maybe we will never see such amount of WRC drivers (part program also) as we did in early 2000's.
    Spot on. Current WRC cars are really challenging and only a few top drivers are able to take them to the limit on a permanent basis; most, like Mikkelsen, can only do it when the stars align…
    Rally addict since 1982

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    Quote Originally Posted by wia5958 View Post
    Yep just need to fire mikkelsen and hire gronholm now as retired former world champs seem to do a better job maybe could pull carlos out 2 and they could split the car for the remainder of the season ����
    Have you watched rally sweden??

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    Quote Originally Posted by deephouse View Post
    Have you watched rally sweden??
    It was a joke mate. Besides im pretty sure gronholm has won it a few times aswell

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    https://twitter.com/huttunenracing/s...78571549958144

    Huttunen with the team base livery but his own sponsor decals

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