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    oh man, now you really pissed him off
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd View Post
    In 2018 Breen beat Hollywood the 2nd in Sweden in Citroen's dog so have no doubt Craig has the pace. Adamo picked him for a reason so stop your bitching just cos your boy wasnt there. As the conditions were so random its irrelevant to say who would have done a better job anyway.
    Breen has never beaten Mikkelsen in same car in I20 out of 2 tries and crashed from behind him in their last start together. Mikkelsen beat Breen in C3 2 out of 3 starts.

    In terms of manu points as well as taking points off competition it wasn't possible for anyone to do worse than Breen in Sweden.

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    What's the deal here? Mikkelsen haven't had a drive this year, and did well last half of season last year. Breen with Hyundai haven't been a success on his three rallies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal the 2nd View Post
    In 2018 Breen beat Hollywood the 2nd in Sweden in Citroen's dog so have no doubt Craig has the pace. Adamo picked him for a reason so stop your bitching just cos your boy wasnt there. As the conditions were so random its irrelevant to say who would have done a better job anyway.
    Breen in Hyundai = 2x 7th place and 1x crash. Dont blame the conditions, he has been shit in the i20. Lets hope Adamo choose Mikkelsen next time.

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    While we're at it, Breen was once 7th (Finland), after giving 6th place away to Neuville by being late at TC. Once crash yes, but he still finished 8th. And now in Sweden 7th.

    Since last year, when Breen was without a seat, he took all offers he had, driving in Ireland, Italy, Ypres... Against strong competition, he kept searching and kept driving, kept trying to hold all doors open. Now he's going to do ERC with unproven tires. He seems to take every opportunity that comes to him, lives for the sport and everyone seems to appreciate that.

    Where was Mikkelsen in Sweden? Do you believe it was impossible for him to get the funds together for a drive with an R5 car? What if the reason why Mikkelsen is without a seat now, is not his lack of talent, but his attitude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    While we're at it, Breen was once 7th (Finland), after giving 6th place away to Neuville by being late at TC. Once crash yes, but he still finished 8th. And now in Sweden 7th.

    Since last year, when Breen was without a seat, he took all offers he had, driving in Ireland, Italy, Ypres... Against strong competition, he kept searching and kept driving, kept trying to hold all doors open. Now he's going to do ERC with unproven tires. He seems to take every opportunity that comes to him, lives for the sport and everyone seems to appreciate that.

    Where was Mikkelsen in Sweden? Do you believe it was impossible for him to get the funds together for a drive with an R5 car? What if the reason why Mikkelsen is without a seat now, is not his lack of talent, but his attitude?
    This is only speculations. We dont know whats going on behind closed doors and what Mikkelsen is doing to get back in a WRC car. And what do you really mean? That the drivers that are doing most rallies outside the WRC should get a seat even though their performance isnt good?
    All we know is that Breen has been terrible behind the wheel of the i20...

    With that said, Mikkelsens attitude og lifestyle isnt the best. I dont think anyone else of the top 10 drivers is living such a glamorous and relaxed life as he is. Even though he´s without a seat and his career is at risk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tommeke_B View Post
    Where was Mikkelsen in Sweden? Do you believe it was impossible for him to get the funds together for a drive with an R5 car? What if the reason why Mikkelsen is without a seat now, is not his lack of talent, but his attitude?
    You mean the attitude that made him go from a safe, cozy environment where dad paid everything to work out sponsors by himself in 2009? Or the Hankook-2010 (when you are on the subject of ERC/IRC with unproven tyres).
    What about his R5 driving in 2017? Or driving for free for Citroën the same year?

    I am a bit surprised that he hasn't ended up with some M-Sport rides as he left EVEN and thus can pay for driving a WRC car. But I'm not too sure that his attitude is that much of an issue.

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    On the face of it given Mikkelsen did pretty well in 2019 it is surprising that Breen was picked over Mikkelsen. But there has clearly been a breakdown between Mikkelsen and Hyundai/Adamo so I think its pretty pointless to keep going on about it, he doesn’t appear to have any chance of getting back in the car. Whether that is something he has done, or something that has come from them we don’t know.
    Breen has done ok but nothing more than that, but in his career so far he hasn’t really shown us he can consistently fight for podiums...
    Hyundai have this odd scenario where they are essentially looking for a guy to drive 3 events that Loeb/Sordo don’t want to drive, I’m guessing Mikkelsen sees himself as better than that, and Breen is happy to accept it.
    Personally, and even more after this weekend I would give Huttunen the chance to show what he’s got, as much as Breen is a good character, I think we have seen what he’s got.

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    It's just a case of Adamo trusting Breen not just in terms of his driving, but his character. Breen is basically just there as backup and could be made to drop positions, check in late or early, drive with a margin and be safe etc etc. Whereas I think Adamo feels Mikkelsen would come in for 2/3 events and try to drive the arse off the car to prove he deserves a full time seat.

    Adamo said as much about Breen on Friday on AllLive, that Breen is essentially "backup" while the other two drivers are going flat out. So before the rally has even started hes telling a rusty Breen, you have to finish and you have to drive with no risk. In that sense it's understandable Craig wasn't blindingly fast or on the pace. He was there just incase Tanak or Neuville went out, or needed his help...

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    In almost half of his rallies in 2019 Mikkelsen drove at less than maximum attack to secure points under Adamo orders. There was even an analysis by the pushing pace guy that showed it in numbers. He was also forbidden from pushing on most power stages. (Swe, Arg, Turkey, GB). Sometimes very directly on allive.

    Doesn't look like listening or not listening to Adamos orders is the main issue here. Might be he is not interested in just 2-3 starts, might be something else. Adamos words were that he is binary and either trusts a driver or he doesn't.

    At end of 2018 I started mentioning the "Hyundai process", it's somehow interesting that it keeps extending still..

    2017: Paddon and Sordo struggle - > reduce their starts, hire Mikkelsen
    2018: Mikkelsen struggles - > reduce Mikkelsen starts, kick Paddon, hire Loeb
    2019: Loeb struggles - > kick Mikkelsen, reduce Loeb starts, hire Breen and then Tanak

    2019-2020 (TBC) : Breen struggles, Tänak struggles? - > kick Loeb?, hire Huttunen?
    We'll see...

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