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23rd June 2016, 19:49 #11
The irony is that the majority of our immigration doesn't come from Europe, so we actually already have 'control' over that. Also if we're to have any kind of trade deal with the EU (if we leave) then it will almost certainly include allowing flow of labour....which will put us pretty much where we are now.
I think another big thing that makes people want to leave is that they feel they're being dictated to by laws from European bureaucrats who weren't elected...which isn't the case (although laws are proposed by unelected members they have to be agreed by people who have been elected...which is pretty much the same as the House of Lords system we have in the UK anyway). Also many of the people that are voting to Exit can't actually name any of the laws they supposedly don't like, or name ones that can be easily debunked. A good example was this http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...s-says-EU.html
Only if you actually read into it there is a clause which says that member states can add their own exclusions, as long as they notify the EU. Another big talking point is economics and the supposed way that we give billions to the EU, which overlooks the benefits we get in return (not leas the trade deal).
As Steveaki says it's been an unpleasant campaign, truthfully I don't think any of them really know and both sides have used a lot of spin, more than you seem to get in normal election campaigns. The in fighting within parties is interesting also, and might have repercussions, personally I wish politics was more like that though. Too often you hear ministers just giving the party line rather than their own opinion.
Anyway, hopefully we make the right choice. As you may gather I'm quite strongly in one camp, and I'm genuinely worried about what could happen, but I'm intrigued by the outcome either way.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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23rd June 2016, 19:54 #12You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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23rd June 2016, 20:39 #13
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Not that I'm trying to justify what some incompetent politicians have done with the money but that view is a little too simplistic. There were other forces that made money move from frugal Germany and others like that to the more easy going Southern Europeans. For instance, a country like Spain found itself in trouble even if they were rather fiscally responsible.
The problem UK is having with UE is the free movement of people. The source of all problems in UK are the Poles, Romanians and the other Eastern Europeans. If they can get rid of them they're golden. Heaven on earth.
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23rd June 2016, 21:09 #14
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Nice post Steve. By reading it through the lines I think that you voted to stay with us.
BTW, it's bloody hilarious that the country that was the biggest colonial empire has issues with immigrants.
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23rd June 2016, 21:39 #15
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24th June 2016, 06:05 #16
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Well... what can one say? The sheer stupidity of humankind still baffles me. What's next? Trump president?
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24th June 2016, 06:09 #17
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Crazy Brits, what are they even thinking? A voluntary vote to screw their country, that must be a first.
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24th June 2016, 06:46 #18
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Why does everyone everywhere I see be negative? OK so its going to be tough and not ideal, but its what we have and we can still be a successful country. It just wont be as part of the EU. We are not going to become a 3rd world nation. In 10 years, 50 years or 100 years it may be the best decision. If the EU fails.
However it could be a bad decision that see's us struggle and wish we hadnt left.
Whatever I think to many just condemn. We will be OK. It will just be different. We must be positive, take it on the chin and make it work the best we can.I still exist and still find the forum occasionally. Busy busy
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24th June 2016, 07:38 #19
There are a couple of reasons that I'm negative. The first is that I liked being part of the EU, it made sense. Secondly I think that this is a huge gamble that will almost certainly (in the short term at least) see our economy suffer. Thirdly I think it could lead to instability within the EU and I don't think that's good either.
But mainly in upset because I think people have voted emotionally rather than listening to facts. So much of both campaigns were spin but already we've had Farage announcing that the figure quoted as going to the NHS each week was wrong and a mistake.You're so beige, you probably think this signature is about someone else.
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24th June 2016, 07:54 #20
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I spent the last 10 minutes trying to change my username on this forum with no results. Can't we do that anymore? I'm starting to dislike the one I have right now. This may sound out of topic but it isn't
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